Find the cause of suffering

[sky]

Originally Posted by Gem

That's what I'm saying.





But you just said...




People are saying what I said isn't about Buddhism, but I didn't say it was, and nor do I make the demand that everyone has to talk about Buddhism. The subject is find the cause of suffering and I am just saying we make emotional attachments in our close relationships and that involves some suffering.

We make emotional attachments in our close relationships and that involves some suffering.[/quote]


Mybe you should miss out ' We ' Close relationships don't involve suffering for everyone.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Just a question,
Why are you cluttering the buddhist subforum with non-buddhist nonsense?
You talk about, suffering, right speech, right understanding and the like as if you are using those words from a buddhist perspective..

I am talking about attachment and suffering

Anyone with some understanding of buddhism has some framework around those terms, even the cause of suffering in a realationship, and emotional attachments and the like can be viewed from a buddhist perspective..

It's not like I'm speaking off topic and I practice right speech as well.

Well, ok.


The first sentence in this thread.

Originally Posted by gem

The basis of Gotama's teachings is to acknowledge ones own suffering, find the cause, and thus end suffering.

Then when people finally call you out on inconsistencies in your understanding from a buddhist perspective it suddenly isn't about buddhism.


I'm not demanding anything, I am pointing out the differences between Buddhist understanding and Gem-ism understanding.
As for demanding anything, Right speech comes to mind. Or rather your version of right speech.


With Love
Eelco

[sky]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Well, ok.


The first sentence in this thread.



Then when people finally call you out on inconsistencies in your understanding from a buddhist perspective it suddenly isn't about buddhism.


I'm not demanding anything, I am pointing out the differences between Buddhist understanding and Gem-ism understanding.
As for demanding anything, Right speech comes to mind. Or rather your version of right speech.


With Love
Eelco

I think I would be reading some Buddhist teachings/Suttas if I didn't understand how attachments according to buddha's teachings are the cause of suffering, that's if I was interested anyway, but Gem doesn't like anyone posting any info: or links and has let me know this a few times with his comments. I find this very strange on a Buddhist Thread, surely you would be at least curious to read and try to understand Buddhism before you disagree with it's teachings.

Originally Posted by sky123

I think I would be reading some Buddhist teachings/Suttas if I didn't understand how attachments according to buddha's teachings are the cause of suffering, that's if I was interested anyway, but Gem doesn't like anyone posting any info: or links and has let me know this a few times with his comments. I find this very strange on a Buddhist Thread, surely you would be at least curious to read and try to understand Buddhism before you disagree with it's teachings.

Yeah.

But Gem did a few retreats in an Ashram where he ran the kitchen for a while, so I guess He has some insight into Buddhism the rest of us miss because we only read Suta's and listen to our teachers..


Unlike his efforts to find the truth, we hang to the teachings whereas he has penetrated their secrets and can move beyond them..


But saying that out loud is wrong speech, untrue.

It's slanderous and probably hurtful so we can't say stuff like that, because well who are we to doubt him, his stories, his understanding and the universal truth of his vision, which isn't his, but rather probably somewhat similar to what the Buddha found in his findings, because it is what Gem found so it must be more real than what Buddhists have found over the last 2500 years..


But hey, he's just human and won't brag or even leave his equanimity over it.


Sigh..


With Loving understanding
Eelco

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by happy soul

On the subject of attachment to others, the non-physical entity Lazaris has some good advice. He said that when you lose or can't have someone you love, human logic says to love them LESS, and then you'll feel better. But he said the truth is you'll feel better by loving them MORE.

Makes sense and 'work's for me, HS!

'Detach'ment = 'withdrawal' → decreasing love-connection-with-Life = soul-shrinkage

Increasing 'love' → soul-expanding → being/feeling more 'alive' = 'better'

It won't make sense and so won't be 'tried' by to someone who believes that (personal) 'soul' and so 'soul growth' is just an 'illusory' phenomenon, however.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Didn't we agree not to talk to each other on this forum?


With contempt,
Eelco

I expressed my opinion in a public forum. You think/feel/believe I was talking to you.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Yeah.

But Gem did a few retreats in an Ashram where he ran the kitchen for a while, so I guess He has some insight into Buddhism the rest of us miss because we only read Suta's and listen to our teachers..


Unlike his efforts to find the truth, we hang to the teachings whereas he has penetrated their secrets and can move beyond them..


But saying that out loud is wrong speech, untrue.

It's slanderous and probably hurtful so we can't say stuff like that, because well who are we to doubt him, his stories, his understanding and the universal truth of his vision, which isn't his, but rather probably somewhat similar to what the Buddha found in his findings, because it is what Gem found so it must be more real than what Buddhists have found over the last 2500 years..


But hey, he's just human and won't brag or even leave his equanimity over it.


Sigh..


With Loving understanding
Eelco

I worked in a Buddhist Temple kitchen for a while, I learned a lot of things while there, patience, how to count the masses of dishes and how to be thankful when it was all squeaky clean again

Originally Posted by davidsun

I wasn't talking to you.

Uhm.

Have you seen the first sentence you wrote in post 128 of this thread?
I wonder who you were addressing there.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...&postcount=128

You know what.
Sending you some love anyway.
I hope it helps pierce the delusion.

With Love
Eelco

Originally Posted by sky123

I worked in a Buddhist Temple kitchen for a while, I learned a lot of things while there, patience, how to count the masses of dishes and how to be thankful when it was all squeaky clean again

Really?
Venerable sky123.
May I be your student?



With Love
Eelco