Deconstructing Ego

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

It is for the mind of each of us to reflect upon itself and ask what its function and purpose is, I have no idea what the answer to that question may be for somebody else. For me mind (about to describe itself) runs the whole show. Monitors body functioning and automatically receives distress calls from the organism and attempts to find and apply solutions to end that distress. The discomfort that flows from feeling disconnected from source is one particular distress that the mind attempts to address by conducting the spiritual search.

Do you feel that there is something else that does this for you?

Any resolution from the perspective of the mind is temporary. It is NO different than re arranging the furniture on the deck of a ship which is sinking. All we do is add to the arsenal of conditioning already their. In no way shape or form does anyone on the "spiritual path" deconstruct or lessen the ego. If we give up an attatchment, one is sure to replace it with another yet more spiritual one. The ego or conditioned separate self, collapses of its own accord once there is a shift in awareness in which that same awareness recognizes its primary and authentic state of being. This happens instaneously for very few and gradually as well. In either case the final and last shift is always the same.

[stars]

Originally Posted by django

Isn't mind responsible for our ability to walk talk read eat drive balance see hear and understand the world around us?

I perceive ego as the aspect of me that distorts reality because reality is too unbearable for me to acknowledge and accept as a child.

I think you are right about that... sometimes the words get used interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Ground

From the outset no ego can be found. Nothing to deconstruct. From the outset mind cannot be found either. Nothing to understand.

The first reasonable post,ego and mind are the same animal, the same thing, "same bone different dog" !

KRB

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Ground

From the outset no ego can be found. Nothing to deconstruct. From the outset mind cannot be found either. Nothing to understand.

Beautiful.
Well said.

[django]

There is no ego when it has been extinguished. There is no mind when there are no thoughts.

But to speak, to read, to write, there must be thoughts. What is used to read and write these posts, which is inextricably based on learnt knowledge? What do you call this function?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Any resolution from the perspective of the mind is temporary. It is NO different than re arranging the furniture on the deck of a ship which is sinking. All we do is add to the arsenal of conditioning already their. In no way shape or form does anyone on the "spiritual path" deconstruct or lessen the ego. If we give up an attatchment, one is sure to replace it with another yet more spiritual one. The ego or conditioned separate self, collapses of its own accord once there is a shift in awareness in which that same awareness recognizes its primary and authentic state of being. This happens instaneously for very few and gradually as well. In either case the final and last shift is always the same.

If such a collapse really did occur who or what would move the body to go to the market to buy the rice?:)

The fact that the organism still functions is a clear sign that mind and ego remain but are denied because mind believes they have to be denied to comply with the stereotype of what is believed to be the characteristics of enlightenment.

Mind modifies the ego defense to a new presentation that it has collapsed and provides it with a new set of characterics that fits the image. In order to be convincing mind can forget that it has done this and REALLY believes in it!!!

What the mind is capable of should not be underestimated. It wants you to REALLY beleive its illusions for your own good.

There is no safe bet as far as the mind is concerned............including that statement................and that................and that........:)

But if you are still alive and getting the rice...........its working.

[Ground]

Originally Posted by django

There is no ego when it has been extinguished. There is no mind when there are no thoughts.

But to speak, to read, to write, there must be thoughts. What is used to read and write these posts, which is inextricably based on learnt knowledge? What do you call this function?

Look at the language, the expressions that are applied. Some are based on rational analysis and some refer to experience. you cannot access those that refer to experience with rational analysis.
But both, the expressions that are based on rational analysis and those that refer to experience do not represent truths. Not knowing that there aren't any truths most people confuse language with truth. Often this grasping at alleged truths, these innate truth habits, is what people call 'ego'. But it is just an innate misperception.

[django]

Originally Posted by Ground

Look at the language, the expressions that are applied. Some are based on rational analysis and some refer to experience. you cannot access those that refer to experience with rational analysis.
But both, the expressions that are based on rational analysis and those that refer to experience do not represent truths. Not knowing that there aren't any truths most people confuse language with truth. Often this grasping at alleged truths, these innate truth habits, is what people call 'ego'. But it is just an innate misperception.

I'm not clear on your answer to this question 'What do you call the function used to read and write these posts?'

[Ground]

Originally Posted by django

I'm not clear on your answer to this question 'What do you call the function used to read and write these posts?'

The function to read is the eye sense and consciousness and the function to write is the eye sense and consciousness and movements of parts of the body.

This answer is based on rational analysis. However we may debate about the definition of 'function'. I interpreted it meaning 'agent(s)' and/or 'causes'.

[django]

Originally Posted by Ground

The function to read is the eye sense and consciousness and the function to write is the eye sense and consciousness and movements of parts of the body.

This answer is based on rational analysis. However we may debate about the definition of 'function'. I interpreted it meaning 'agent(s)' and/or 'causes'.

What is your definition of consciousness?