I found Out You Can Call Them..

Originally Posted by Toolite

is someone not having a good day? we like when you play with us... I hope you can join us soon..

No I've had a great day in the Arizona sunshine. It's just that somehow, from somewhere - call it my higher self maybe - I got my answers.

And this old guy's not much for playing but thanks - you'll do just fine by yourselves.

Originally Posted by mac

No I've had a great day in the Arizona sunshine. It's just that somehow, from somewhere - call it my higher self maybe - I got my answers.

And this old guy's not much for playing but thanks - you'll do just fine by yourselves.

ok Mac.

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!

[Westleigh]

Originally Posted by mac

Now I'm puzzled! You, Westleigh, are telling us that you can connect with more-or-less any discarnate you choose. You also say you follow guidance and don't do it willy-nilly. Are matters that simple in practice - could you contact anyone for anybody as a medium? If so then I'll have to re-think all I've learned.....

Mac - sorry it took me a while to respond to this, but essentially yes. Focusing on a particular spirit tunes in to their energy. They are free to respond or not just as a medium is free to respond or not when a spirit wants their attention, but I have yet to come across one who didn't.

I'm surprised by the idea that this isn't how it works for everybody, partly because I have always considered sending to be the easy part. A frequent piece of advice I offer in the Guides and Angels forum is "address them in your thoughts and they will hear you". In my experience spirit hears us very easily - it is us hearing what they are saying that is difficult! I also don't see how private readings with a client who wanted to communicate with a specific spirit or guide would be possible without this ability. I have seen some mediums ask to hold an item belonging to the deceased, or to see a photograph, in order to more easily connect to their energy, so I know I am not the only one doing it.

I find that spirit is deceptively simple about most things, while humans like to make things complicated. And while I have never known spirit to dictate rules, humans do make them, and our beliefs are self-fulfilling - if we think we can't do something, we can't!

Originally Posted by mac

The thread was too long for me to take in but thanks. I admit I'm struggling to follow your explanation though. I don't know a widely accepted definition of 'higher self' and running this same thread elsewhere it's clear that others see matters very much differently from one another. Personally I find the HS concept of [/color]" being the complete aspect of us which understands our life purpose, etc....." wholly opposite to my concept of our spirit being that. If I were to use your terminology I'd have the higher self being the connection between physical entity and one's individual spirit..... ie lowest self, body/physical, higher self being an intermediate for the highest self, one's actual spirit. That's wholly a personal issue and isn't in line with anything I've learned so I'm not comfortable with that.

Well, you should only accept what feels right to you. It's understandable that there are different views about what this means, because there are so many aspects of the human psyche and our spiritual nature that which ones we feel it appropriate to group under a particular label might be different for everyone. Simply put, I believe we all have a "spirit self" aspect which can be communicated with as distinct from "physical self" aspect, the part of us inhabiting our human mind. Beyond that there are many potential variables - for example, I couldn't guess at the degree of seperation between the two, if any exists at all, and you are right that people will have different opinions about what it entails.

As an example, are you familiar with the work of Dr Michael Newton, or those who followed him using similar techniques? He is a hypnotherapist who regresses people not into their past lives, but into their experiences in the spirit world between Earthly lifetimes. I would say that by doing this he is accessing what I have been referring to as the higher self of the person, the spirit self who is very noticeably able to answer questions the physical self before regression could not (even when under hypnosis), offer insights about their behaviour which the physical self did not have, and often displays personality traits and/or describes their physical appearance in ways which differ markedly from that of the physical self, as well as describing the life in the spirit world the physical mind cannot remember. While it doesn't necessarily help as far as the mechanism of it all is concerned, this kind of material does suggest that if this aspect of us is accessible via hypnosis it may be accessible via other means of achieving altered consciousness as well, including practices like meditation and mediumship/telepathy.

I do understand where you are coming from with regard to the simplicity of channelled messages. I've noticed that channelled material tends not to mention many aspects of spirituality that are often discussed in forums like this, such as all the different energy healing methods, chakras, higher self and contacting guides, etc. Perhaps that is us making things complicated again.

Originally Posted by mac

The issue of communicating with an incarnate's spirit seems to me to be at least as important as evidential mediumship. With a rapidly-growing elderly population, with dementia on the dramatic rise, wouldn't a practitioner who is able to reach beyond the shell of affected individuals be a great help?

Perhaps even more so than a medium struggling to achieve transdimensional communication?
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Yes, I agree with you. I have just remembered seeing a documentary a few years ago, which was about some psychics who specialised in communicating telepathically with children pre-speech-development. It occurs to me that if it is possible to convey intelligent communication from, say, a two-year-old, it is likely that this would work using the same mechanism. I've never heard of it applied to the elderly, but if there are people who make a career from doing it with young children there may well be one or two who have attempted to use the same ability in other contexts, as in the account about the coma you found.

thanks, Westleigh - well worth waiting for.

Thanks, too, for well-structured and specific answers to the points I raised - that's a refreshing change from the way that many members deal with them. Such a pity some seem to have no notion over how to write effectively. In a world of written communications, writing skills are shockingly poor. (at least in the forums to which I contribute regularly)

From what you've said, and from what others have been unable to say, I've reached some firm conclusions about the subjects I raised.

Thanks for all your help.

"Focusing on a particular spirit tunes in to their energy. They are free to respond or not just as a medium is free to respond or not when a spirit wants their attention, but I have yet to come across one who didn't."

"...but I have yet to come across one who didn't." Is that the medium you're speaking about or the discarnate entity?

So is there anyone else that would like to share their experiences?

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!

"As an example, are you familiar with the work of Dr Michael Newton, or those who followed him using similar techniques? He is a hypnotherapist who regresses people not into their past lives, but into their experiences in the spirit world between Earthly lifetimes. I would say that by doing this he is accessing what I have been referring to as the higher self of the person, the spirit self who is very noticeably able to answer questions the physical self before regression could not (even when under hypnosis), offer insights about their behaviour which the physical self did not have, and often displays personality traits and/or describes their physical appearance in ways which differ markedly from that of the physical self, as well as describing the life in the spirit world the physical mind cannot remember. While it doesn't necessarily help as far as the mechanism of it all is concerned, this kind of material does suggest that if this aspect of us is accessible via hypnosis it may be accessible via other means of achieving altered consciousness as well, including practices like meditation and mediumship/telepathy."

Yes I know the work you mention here but I still have to be persuaded that the apparent recalls of lives in the etheric are authentic.

It's so difficult to be certain that by attributing it to communication of the sort you mention, without certainty about the original details, could be building without a foundation, making things fit.

But that's just a personal comment without the benefit of a detailed study of all the work and I fully accept I may be misjudging the situation.

thanks

Originally Posted by Westleigh

Yes, you can connect with anyone at any time. It doesn't even matter if they are incarnated or not - you can still connect with their energy and communicate with the spirit self (or higher self) of the person. There is always a part of us in spirit even when we are in human form.

But as Islewalker said, you do have to be careful with doing this. Make sure you vet any spirit you attempt to connect to (ask them if they are of the light, of God, etc - whatever feels best to you) or go through a higher source and ask them to help. Sometimes other spirits are attracted to our energy who aren't the person we were looking for. For example, if there is a reason I need to do this with someone I have not connected with before, I usually ask my guides to connect me to their energy and I feel perfectly safe in doing this.

Keep exploring and stay safe!

I agree here with West and Islewalker :) You can contact but sometimes you will pull in "things" who will pose as said person. Typically there needs to be some sort of energy connection to establish contact. For me, a client that was related to the person, an article that belonged to the person, sometimes an image of the person. It doesn't always work though. Spirit comes to us. They also have free will.

Originally Posted by Medium_Laura

I agree here with West and Islewalker :) You can contact but sometimes you will pull in "things" who will pose as said person. Typically there needs to be some sort of energy connection to establish contact. For me, a client that was related to the person, an article that belonged to the person, sometimes an image of the person. It doesn't always work though. Spirit comes to us. They also have free will.

Isn't there always a risk of a discarnate individual masquerading as another? The many celebrities who - it's been claimed over many years - have 'returned' to speak to practitioners who have absolutely nothing in life to link 'em are just such examples.

I don't do such stuff but knew a practitioner who told me that Lady Diana had returned and spoke to her only days after the death of the princess. This was a practitioner who claimed to be, as was known as, an experienced medium and healer. I was new and green in them thar days but even I knew that just didn't stack up....



Isn't there also a significant risk that a practitioner's complacency might allow deceivers in, a risk that 'door keepers' and 'guides' may not always be able to prevent them from evading their guard? The communications with their spirit-side counterparts of a once well-known, well-respected physical mediumship group was 'hacked' and ruined so if that can happen with one individual or group, it might happen with any individual or group.

I'd agree that it's a possibility that communication of the sort under discussion may take place but I'm far from convinced that it's routine and/or straightforward as suggested. There seems to be a disconnect between all such claims and demonstrating that they're authentic.

If it were demonstrated, then I'd be the first in line to admit I'm wrong but until that day I'll reserve my judgement on these matters.

Originally Posted by mac

Isn't there always a risk of a discarnate individual masquerading as another? The many celebrities who - it's been claimed over many years - have 'returned' to speak to practitioners who have absolutely nothing in life to link 'em are just such examples.

I don't do such stuff but knew a practitioner who told me that Lady Diana had returned and spoke to her only days after the death of the princess. This was a practitioner who claimed to be, as was known as, an experienced medium and healer. I was new and green in them thar days but even I knew that just didn't stack up....



Yes that is very true. Even though the medium genuinely THINKS its that famous person, I often debunk it because in all honesty, there has to be SOME sort of energy connection to link to the Other Side. A letter, an artifact, etc. In all my lifetime, I've only been able to "call" my family and my guides. The rest come to me based on the link I have at the moment, ie: chat room, phone call, in person, etc. I have only connected with one "famous" person and that is because I happened to be reading a cousin of this person and she popped in to say hello. For me, seeing a famous spirit sometimes can mean I'm meant to say the name. It is my tag from spirit to get me to say it. Like I may see George Clooney to get me to say "George". The energy is different though from the actual spirit than from my guide pop images. It's buzzy.. for lack of a better word lol.

Isn't there also a significant risk that a practitioner's complacency might allow deceivers in, a risk that 'door keepers' and 'guides' may not always be able to prevent them from evading their guard? The communications with their spirit-side counterparts of a once well-known, well-respected physical mediumship group was 'hacked' and ruined so if that can happen with one individual or group, it might happen with any individual or group.



I do agree here. If you just "believe" you are well protected it isn't enough. I read a passage by John Edward in one of his books and he equated it to safe sex. Where you can hope and believe that your partner is clean but .... wouldn't you rather be certain and "protect" yourself against disease .. or in this case... lower level tricksters. I don't believe mediums are hacked as much as I believe they let their "inner monster" run wild (greed, ego, power, etc). This will override your "ability" and well, drop your guard. You may think you are still connecting to the same entities you always have, but you're not, and you are too caught up in yourself to notice...


I'd agree that it's a possibility that communication of the sort under discussion may take place but I'm far from convinced that it's routine and/or straightforward as suggested. There seems to be a disconnect between all such claims and demonstrating that they're authentic.

If it were demonstrated, then I'd be the first in line to admit I'm wrong but until that day I'll reserve my judgement on these matters.

It's very hard to be "authentic" as a medium. Yes, we can give a hellva lot of details but still, it is up to the client to accept or even to truthfully acknowledge the information. We may think that we screwed up and in all actuality, we were connected but the client decided they didn't want to believe for one reason or another. Free will.

I really wish I knew how it worked on a scientific level. All I know is that I get things when I talk to people, I get family, spirits, details, etc. It comes from my guides, my higher self and my Universal consciousness.. but even I don't know how it all works exactly. I learn as I go :)