"my" truth!

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by Eskay

Free will does not mean all perceptions are true. Simply put, free will is having a choice. You can choose to put your energy into anything you see fit. Its your free will to believe in lies or to know the truth!

And that is exactly why there is no truth in this world. There are only individual perceptions, which come out of our own frame of reference. When we think our perceptions are the truth, that is called vanity aka self glorification.

mj

[Robinski78]

Originally Posted by Shaunc

There's a plum tree out the back of my place. It has some big branches and some small ones. When the sun comes up in the morning it's going to shine on all of them but they'll all see it differently. Some are on the east of the tree and some are on the west. Some are up high and some are down low, some are covered by other branches. They'll all get the same sun but every branch will see it slightly differently. I hope this helps you understand why people refer to their god individually.

That was a good way of explaining things Shaunc... I think that truth can be viewed in that manner as well...

Actually, it's a pity people refer to supposed truths by such a name, when something as simple as - 'My Way' - would be just as suitable: if not a whole lot better.... Think I might start using that term from now on....

It'll make a change if nothing else....

Robbie....

[skygazer]

Originally Posted by Eskay

True or False??
Our physical address is on "Earth"?
Earth has many different species?
Humans are one of them?
Humans rule earth?
All humans have a mind?
The mind leads to all deception?

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[Eskay]

Right there are only individual perceptions, but if you put all them perceptions into one big place. That place start to have a perception of its own as a whole.

The sun shines on the branches is the Truth, the way the branches see the Truth is their perception.

[Eskay]

Originally Posted by skygazer

yes
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What leads to deception?

[VinceField]

Originally Posted by skygazer

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Originally Posted by Eskay

What leads to deception?

The correct answer to that last question question is yes. All deception is a result of the mind in one way or another.

[VinceField]

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

Whatever works for the person...

The understanding in question is that "all perceptions are truth." So, if I was being kind to you, but perhaps you held some preconceived beliefs that clouded your judgement and you erroneously perceived me as being condescending, sarcastic, or rude when this was absolutely not the case, was your perception truth? Or was the truth that I was being nice and you misinterpreted my words? We are dealing with different kinds of truth here, but one obviously trumps the other. Sure, it is true that you had a distorted perception, but that does not make that distorted perception truth. It's like saying that it's true that Obama is a reptilian because you had a momentary hallucination in which he shapeshifted. Sure, it is true that you perceived him as an alien, but that doesn't make it true that he is an alien.

The idea that you raised that truth is "whatever works for the person" is a bit different from the idea that "all perception is truth," so let's look at your statement. For some people, it suits their needs to steal, cheat, murder, etc. This harmful activity "works" for them, but is this "truth?" Or is it simply the outplaying of unskillful habitual tendencies of a defiled mind? Perhaps I choose to believe that I am a reincarnation of Stalin because it makes me feel strong and powerful. It is not not truth that I was Stalin in another life. It is simply a belief that I choose to use because it suited me.

[LadyMay]

Originally Posted by VinceField

The correct answer to that last question question is yes. All deception is a result of the mind in one way or another.

One could say this is just a view...

Unless there is any way to prove truth then it remains subjective.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by VinceField

Some examples of different types of truth:

Correspondence truth: Beliefs and statements are an accurate reflection of their actual state in objective reality.

Coherence truth: Something is true based on the system of concepts and definitions in which it is attributed to.

Constructivist truth: Truth is socially constructed, man-made, relative to the particular culture that holds it.

Consensus truth: Truth is whatever is agreed upon.

Pragmatic truth: Truth is a product of the verification of a belief or statement by real-world application and results.

It seems many people using the term "my truth" are actually not speaking of truth, but belief:



So saying "my truth is that everything is interconnected because I feel this deep inside" is probably not actually a statement of truth, but a statement of belief posing as a statement of truth.

It's great to begin to introduce some clarity to the terms we often use.
Like love, truth is a word we often use without clarification, causing a lot of confusion and misunderstanding, and even lending itself to deceptions and falsehoods by those who may willing exploit this confusion.

It's interesting however that the example you cite as a belief is one that both mystics and spiritual leaders, world lay and government leaders, and many scientists, from social scientists to environmental scientists to physicists, increasingly recognise as a truth on many levels.

That being that everyone and everything is interconnected.

Peace & blessings,
7L

[VinceField]

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

One could say this is just a view...

Unless there is any way to prove truth then it remains subjective.

All evidence points to the fact that all things arise within the mind, even our experience of the objective world is experienced in the context of our own minds.

Deception is the result of action. Action is the result of thought and intention. Thought and intention are born from the mind.

Provide any example of deception and I'm willing to bet the origin of the deceptive act can be traced back to someone's mind, and the perception of that deception likewise arises within the mind. Can you think of an example where this isn't the case?