Can both the God and the I exist simultaneously?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Being

Reality is what is real & exists. On one level of reality of course physical reality & all it contains exists. Religious / spiritual writings i personally see as forms - as best understandable in terms of myth, symbol, analogy, metaphor & allegory. All language; spoken & written are symbol / form. Of course all spiritual writings are pointing to spiritual realities that are more than allegory.

Individual understanding, apprehension & experience is subjective to the individual, but within the reality that reality is what is.

i don't know how to define it all in words & concepts? It can't be, it is beyond words & concepts. This is where so much of the problem comes in for a lot of people.

Until one experientally realises that the basis for the allegory and metaphor also is derived from the same source as Itself.

Maybe our cognitive bias at the more subtle levels likes to put it's own spin on it, but when it all boils down, there's the way of the mind and intellect which can only take us to the door and maybe, if we are lucky, receive a glimpse of what is through there, but it is the only the heart which can propel our awareness beyond that threshold. I believe some people call it a 'leap of Faith' when belief just don't work anymore.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Being]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

Until one experientally realises that the basis for the allegory and metaphor also is derived from the same source as Itself.

Maybe our cognitive bias at the more subtle levels likes to put it's own spin on it, but when it all boils down, there's the way of the mind and intellect which can only take us to the door and maybe, if we are lucky, receive a glimpse of what is through there, but it is the only the heart which can propel our awareness beyond that threshold. I believe some people call it a 'leap of Faith' when belief just don't work anymore.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Of course - direct experiences beyond the ego / mind / intellect.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Being

Of course - direct experiences beyond the ego / mind / intellect.

Yet the mind seeks to try and understand those direct experience(s) by using some form of mental construct to relate to in order to achieve those direct experiences again whenever 'reality' gets in the way.

I don't know why I love Shiva as His Puranic Leela (Ancient Divine Mithya), as well as The Cosmic consciousness known as Bhairava/Brahman - call it 'nostalgia'.

One inevitably leads to the other though...it always does, but I don't care...it just works this way...

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Being]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

Yet the mind seeks to try and understand those direct experience(s) by using some form of mental construct to relate to in order to achieve those direct experiences again whenever 'reality' gets in the way.

I don't know why I love Shiva as His Puranic Leela (Ancient Divine Mithya), as well as The Cosmic consciousness known as Bhairava/Brahman - call it 'nostalgia'.

One inevitably leads to the other though...it always does, but I don't care...it just works this way...

Aum Namah Shivaya

A million paths up the mountain.

Humans create Maps - that is what we do.

i find it impossible to fully get away from the teaching / figure of Jeshua.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Being

A million paths up the mountain.

Humans create Maps - that is what we do.

i find it impossible to fully get away from the teaching / figure of Jeshua.

What if I were to tell you there is only one path, but a million mountains? Now, which pill would you like, red or blue?

I'm climbing Mt. Kailash, dunno about the rest of you.

You say that Humans create Maps, but who created the Humans to create them, or who showed them where the treasure was in the first place, so the map could be thus made?

Did humans create Shiva? NO, Shiva is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, however IN all of this, saying that He cannot also assume Puranic Form is limiting the capability of a limitless consciousness.

I cannot drag myself away from Shiva either, but why do I need to? why would I want to? and what is the "I" that's doing all the dragging?

Everything is Shiva including "I" but "I" can also exist (in full self-awareness) apart from Shiva even though He is still here, either by my side, in my heart, or just 'there' whenever I avail myself of His Grace (which He says I should do way more often than I do currently).

JAI Bholenath!
Hara Hara Mahadev!

[Being]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

What if I were to tell you there is only one path, but a million mountains? Now, which pill would you like, red or blue?

I'm climbing Mt. Kailash, dunno about the rest of you.

You say that Humans create Maps, but who created the Humans to create them, or who showed them where the treasure was in the first place, so the map could be thus made?

Did humans create Shiva? NO, Shiva is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, however IN all of this, saying that He cannot also assume Puranic Form is limiting the capability of a limitless consciousness.

I cannot drag myself away from Shiva either, but why do I need to? why would I want to? and what is the "I" that's doing all the dragging?

Everything is Shiva including "I" but "I" can also exist (in full self-awareness) apart from Shiva even though He is still here, either by my side, in my heart, or just 'there' whenever I avail myself of His Grace (which He says I should do way more often than I do currently).

JAI Bholenath!
Hara Hara Mahadev!

As i first said. as to the nature of truth & reality No one ever has, doesn't & will never agree.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Being

As i first said. as to the nature of truth & reality No one ever has, doesn't & will never agree.

Who is trying to agree or disagree? Just having a nice open chat is all.

Om Namah Shivaya

[Being]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

Who is trying to agree or disagree? Just having a nice open chat is all.

Om Namah Shivaya

i was just meaning in a general sense.

Am happy to discuss.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Being

i was just meaning in a general sense.

Am happy to discuss.

That's understood and happy to discuss as well.

Now, you are an Omnist, so am I but I just happen to practice it under the auspices of a religion and within the Religion itself.

When I say I do that, The Hindu Sampradaya (schools of thought/belief) are very wide and varied.

It is difficult for me to associate with any of them, really...and let's put it that way. I started out as a Gaudiya Vaishnava and wound up Aghori, but you will often see me chanting mantras to Krishna or listening to Krishna Bhajans, because I realise that Krishna appears as Shiva and Shiva appears as Krishna, but the God who chose to make himself known to me in any way I could ever relate anything to it until I achieved the stage where the whole relation just doesn't exist (albeit momentarily) is Shiva. It's called my "Ishta Devata" or (personal God).

[Being]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

That's understood and happy to discuss as well.

Now, you are an Omnist, so am I but I just happen to practice it under the auspices of a religion and within the Religion itself.

When I say I do that, The Hindu Sampradaya (schools of thought/belief) are very wide and varied.

It is difficult for me to associate with any of them, really...and let's put it that way. I started out as a Gaudiya Vaishnava and wound up Aghori, but you will often see me chanting mantras to Krishna or listening to Krishna Bhajans, because I realise that Krishna appears as Shiva and Shiva appears as Krishna, but the God who chose to make himself known to me in any way I could ever relate anything to it until I achieved the stage where the whole relation just doesn't exist (albeit momentarily) is Shiva. It's called my "Ishta Devata" or (personal God).

From Wikipedia - "At the highest level, Shiva is regarded as formless, limitless, transcendent and unchanging absolute Brahman,[10] and the primal Atman (soul, self) of the universe.[11][12][5]"

Jeshua is the 'same', as are other names.