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Old 24-05-2011, 05:16 PM
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Esther...oh and don't forget Tehilim ("psalms" for the others on the thread)...

*lots* of well-used prayers there said throughout the daily, holiday, and life cycle calendars...

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Old 24-05-2011, 11:55 PM
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Right. What seems to have become the habit is to say the Lord's Prayer and then tack on whatever we feel the need to speak to him about. Growing up, my mom taught us to say the lord's prayer and then God bless and then name all of our family members. Then of course, tack on our own personal private stuff...


That is sweet...
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Old 26-05-2011, 04:10 AM
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That is sweet...


Hey, thx tina, my mom was the sweetest mom, too.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:22 PM
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Thats it Silvergirl. I thought I muddled it up somewhere.

"...and lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from Evil...."

is where I got muddled up.

Thanks.

Exactly, Honza. This sentence does not make sense, does it? Why should God lead people into temptation when everyone "knows" that it is Satan/Devil.

I do not know the origin of the Lord's Prayer but do not think it originated with Judaism.
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Old 13-03-2013, 05:04 AM
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Exactly, Honza. This sentence does not make sense, does it? Why should God lead people into temptation when everyone "knows" that it is Satan/Devil.

I do not know the origin of the Lord's Prayer but do not think it originated with Judaism.

Some thoughts upon the delicate subject of Theodicy. Or something like that.

Satan is a function of God. In Job, ha-satan, 'the adversary' is a member of the Lord's divine council and plays, well... devil's advocate
It's only in the New Testament and some apocrypha, that satan becomes a Satan in the proper, and turns into a more duelistic figure. Some scholars have suggested it might be due to Jewish contact to Zoroastrianism during the Achaemenid Empire's overrule. Asking God to deliver oneself from temptation makes sense, when one remembers scenes of God testing people through the Scriptures, effectively 'tempting' them on several occasions; tempting choices that tend to lead to 'evil' results.

As for the originality of the Lord's Prayer - it's ideas are expressed all throughout the Hebrew Bible, but it's only recorded as we know it through the lips of Jesus, making it a Christian prayer, pretty much.
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Old 13-03-2013, 07:57 AM
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its just a prayer, no big deal.
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Old 13-03-2013, 11:19 AM
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Some thoughts upon the delicate subject of Theodicy. Or something like that.

Satan is a function of God. In Job, ha-satan, 'the adversary' is a member of the Lord's divine council and plays, well... devil's advocate
It's only in the New Testament and some apocrypha, that satan becomes a Satan in the proper, and turns into a more duelistic figure. Some scholars have suggested it might be due to Jewish contact to Zoroastrianism during the Achaemenid Empire's overrule. Asking God to deliver oneself from temptation makes sense, when one remembers scenes of God testing people through the Scriptures, effectively 'tempting' them on several occasions; tempting choices that tend to lead to 'evil' results.

As for the originality of the Lord's Prayer - it's ideas are expressed all throughout the Hebrew Bible, but it's only recorded as we know it through the lips of Jesus, making it a Christian prayer, pretty much.

Anumus27, What I said is not what I believe.

The book by Manly P. Hall, Masonic Hermetic Qabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, has a beautiful allegory about Adam and the Serpent, the Adversary. Adam banished from the Garden of Eden represents man philosophically exiled from the sphere of Truth. After many attempts to enter into his Father's house which he was always prevented from doing by a cherubim, finally heard a voice saying "He who is aware, IS! Behold!" and he finds himself in a radiant place, "in the midst of which stands a tree with flasing jewels for fruit and entwined about its trunk a flaming, winged serpent crowned with a diadem of stars. It was the serpent who had spoken."

Adam asked the creature who he was.

"I," the serpent answers, "am Satan who was stoned; I am the Adversary--the Lord who is against you, ...I have led you into temptation...I am the guardian of the Tree of Knowledge and I have sworn that none whom I can lead astray shall partake of its fruits."

Adam replies that he will no longer tempted by the serpent "There is no happiness, no peace, no good, no future in the doctrines of selfhishness, hate" etc.

And the serpent answers: "Behold, O Adam, the nature of thy Adversary!"

The serpent disappears and in its place stands an angel with scarlet wings that spread from one corner of the heavens to the other. It says:

"I am the Lord who is against thee and thus accomplishes thy salvation," ... Thou hast hated me, but through the ages yet to be thou shalt bless me, for...I have turned thee against the illusion of worldliness...I have awakened in thy soul the immortality of which I myself partake..."
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Old 13-03-2013, 12:05 PM
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So many profound messages in this prayer...esp as Jesus was on
the world stage, for me, if he really said it exactly this way (?) reveals so much.

What does he do when asked to show them how to pray? (This is his big chance!!)
1st he addresses to Whom he is speaking, Dear John...."Our Father.." Not mother, Creator exactly, very personal and loving to be called Father (or Abba, was it)? Male and separate, apart from...wow.
2. Where is the addressee? Heaven...so this Father lives, dwells in a "place"
3. BIG ONE (he could have said SOOO many things here, but NO...)
"Hallowed be Thy Name"... hallowed....
I'm stopping there....so who asks the question.....

SO WHAT IS HIS NAME? That It should be so hallowed? We shouldn't take in vain?

It was before Creation...It was in the beginning before humans were even a thought in
God's Mind. It is unspeakable by our mouths... and why didn't Jesus say, Hallowed be Thy Name, Jehovah" ?

Why didn't God write on the Tablets...Do not take my Name, Elohim, in vain?
It is unspeakable...and before pens. It was in the beginning....a vibration, the Word,
that is within everything. And should be revered and hallowed and not "taken" (clue)
In vain....find out why the Sikh's write so much about Sat Nam...the True Name...
It's not Jehovah to them...It's not Allah, either...the mystics know it is unspeakable and MUCH has been written about IT, the Sat Nam or Naam....the Word, the Primordial Vibration, the Inner Sound Current to others,
Imitated by "aum, om" , the Tao that can't be spoken.
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Old 13-03-2013, 12:23 PM
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Miss Hepburn, this must be your longest post yet. In my opinion you should post more of them. I cannot agree more BTW.

I happened to be reading about the fundamentals of Qabbalistic Cosmogony. The Qabbalists see the Supreme Deity as an incomprehensible principle. It can only be discovered through the process of elimination until every knowable thing is removed and what remains is AIN SOPH, the eternal state of Being. "To define It is to defile It."

I think this agrees with what you have said.

Whenever I read what people think about God, I always return to childrens' NDEs as recorded by A*t*w*a*t*e*r (every time I type her name, it turns into A****** when I save the post) where they encountered a dark light which they called Mother Light, a bright Light, which they called Father Light and a fierce, raw Light which they called God Light. I think I can place Dark Light and Bright Light but not the God Light. It was the first time I came across God Light. It is not possible to google for other instances of people having encountered the God Light. I wonder whether anyone here has any idea what it is.
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Old 13-03-2013, 12:55 PM
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Could they be meaning the Light of 10,000 Suns?
THE God Light?
I have seen this and the Thousand Petaled Lotus Flower!

And Wowsa....is all I can say!!!!

We always agree, as you know...
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