Ramakrishna said...I want to taste sugar, not be sugar..

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Maybe this could help from Meher Baba. I often post it.

God is love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved.

But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself.

And in order to love Himself, He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He
as the lover imagines He loves.
Beloved and lover implies separation.
And separation creates longing; and longing causes search.
And the wider and the more intense the search, the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is at its most intense, separation is complete, and the purpose of separation,
which was that love might experience itself as Lover and Beloved,
is fulfilled; and union follows.

And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved, whom he loved and desired union with;
and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.
To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are!

Exactly!

It doesn't really help on a personal level now, but it's a beautiful explanation of just what's been going on here...what happened to me and this whole process and 'thing' I've been struggling with for years!

The moment...the exact microsecond I sorta went "know what? I'm going to stop reading the Vedas and go straight back to my old Shiva Purana because I just can't take this anymore"...it happened. I got over myself.

Now, I have often been told 'get over yourself'...when that's taken literally, you 'get over yourself'.

Thanks for posting it...it's beautiful!

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Shivani Devi]

Namaste.

In the end, 'tasting sugar' and 'being sugar' are the same thing.

The whole crux of the matter...

Being a female devotee of Siva, I can only imagine what a male devotee of Kali must be going through.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Shivani Devi]

After being sugar, tasting it is much sweeter.

[peteyzen]

I am the sugar

[Shivani Devi]

Sugar is too fattening! gimme Sweet and Low.

अद्वैतं परमार्थो हि द्वैतं तद्भेद उच्यते ।
तेषाम् उभयथा द्वैतं तेनायं न विरुद्ध्यते ॥ १८ ॥

advaitaṃ paramārtho hi dvaitaṃ tadbheda ucyate |
teṣām ubhayathā dvaitaṃ tenāyaṃ na viruddhyate || 18 ||

As non-duality is the ultimate Reality, therefore duality is said to be its effect (Kārya or Bheda). The dualists perceive duality either way (i.e., both in the Absolute and in the phenomena). Therefore the non-dual position does not conflict with the dualist’s position.

- Mandukya Upanishad 3:18

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Omsatchitananda547]

haha, let me taste the sugar. I will at least know sugar is all you are <or> not.
#NetiNeti #Shivoham

[Divine Consciousness]

I could not get this theosophy.
My be we want something but not to be like that.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Divine Consciousness

I could not get this theosophy.
My be we want something but not to be like that.

The theosophy represents the excruciating agony the Bhakta faces; to lose the whole association with the object of loving worship to be able to merge into Brahman.

It's the last and greatest obstacle on the path of Bhakti, to drop the whole Bhakti itself, when death would be more preferable.

So, the exclamation is made: "I want to LOVE God and not BE God" because as soon as one realises they ARE God, they understand they've only been loving and worshiping themselves all along.

It represents the breaking of the Rudra Granthi knot, and the transition from Savikalpa Samadhi to Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

However, when all is said and done, it's only a mental paradox without any basis in actuality, because the total omnipotence and omnipresence of the Divine means that the Soul (Atman) can also multitask and omnitask.

It therefore becomes possible to taste the sugar, be the sugar, bake cakes with the sugar, use it as a body scrub ingredient, share the sugar around...you get it.

For a long time this was also my personal stumbling block, until I realised that sugar still remained as sugar, no matter whether I was tasting it or being it.

Sugar of course, being the metaphor for Shiva or in Paramahamsa Ramakrishna's case, Mother Kali.

I also now agree with Vinayaka..."If I taste enough sugar, I will become the sugar"...I really like that one.

Om Namah Shivaya

[Divine Consciousness]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

The theosophy represents the excruciating agony the Bhakta faces; to lose the whole association with the object of loving worship to be able to merge into Brahman.

It's the last and greatest obstacle on the path of Bhakti, to drop the whole Bhakti itself, when death would be more preferable.

So, the exclamation is made: "I want to LOVE God and not BE God" because as soon as one realises they ARE God, they understand they've only been loving and worshiping themselves all along.

It represents the breaking of the Rudra Granthi knot, and the transition from Savikalpa Samadhi to Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

However, when all is said and done, it's only a mental paradox without any basis in actuality, because the total omnipotence and omnipresence of the Divine means that the Soul (Atman) can also multitask and omnitask.

It therefore becomes possible to taste the sugar, be the sugar, bake cakes with the sugar, use it as a body scrub ingredient, share the sugar around...you get it.

For a long time this was also my personal stumbling block, until I realised that sugar still remained as sugar, no matter whether I was tasting it or being it.

Sugar of course, being the metaphor for Shiva or in Paramahamsa Ramakrishna's case, Mother Kali.

I also now agree with Vinayaka..."If I taste enough sugar, I will become the sugar"...I really like that one.

Om Namah Shivaya

Thanks sister.

[prasannatrust]

Well said , precisely.