"Original Sin"

Originally Posted by sky123

Biblical Christianity doesn't really allow for acceptance , it's their way or the highway

Thankfully we have Christians who do follow the Teachings of Jesus without the dogma....

I love acceptance.

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What if I call the fall suffering?
Where East meets West.
What if my computer is corrupt only saying "buffering"?
Ascension from what? A fall?
What is the law of good Karma raising us from?
The law of reap what you sow.
What prevents a seed to grow?
I sum it up by either separating from Love
Or
BEcoming united to the source of Love

Who I call God

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[Honza]

Originally Posted by sky123

Humpty Dumpty had a great ' Fall ' I wonder if he sinned

As you probably have guessed I am undecided about many spiritual things. I do not *know* we are fallen and sinners. It just seems quite likely.

I am growing in my acceptance of Eastern mysticism and the I AM. I am learning to love myself and accept responsibility for myself. I have gained a lot from the East.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Honza

As you probably have guessed I am undecided about many spiritual things. I do not *know* we are fallen and sinners. It just seems quite likely.

I am growing in my acceptance of Eastern mysticism and the I AM. I am learning to love myself and accept responsibility for myself. I have gained a lot from the East.

I hope you find peace.... whatever beliefs you follow.

Originally Posted by Honza

There is so much Evil in the world that it is difficult not to believe in "the fall" and "sin". I don't understand these people who claim they don't sin or are not fallen! Maybe to themselves they seem perfect; yet others can see with their own eyes that these people are not perfect.

God is unconditional Love - He sees all and knows all; so long as we are bound in dualistic self serving mind, we miss the wood for the trees.

JL

Originally Posted by Morpheus

"If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us...
But if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all unrighteousness."
- The Apostle John

“Love knows nothing of sin—not that man has not sinned—but sins are blotted out at once by love and they vanish as if they had not been. This is because whatever God does he does completely, like the cup running over. Whom he forgives, he forgives utterly and at once.”

- Meister Eckart

"Now the Father draws us from the evil of sin to the goodness of His grace with the might of His measureless power, and He needs all the resources of His strength in order to convert sinners, more than when He was about to make heaven and earth, which He made with His own power without help from any creature. But when He is about to convert a sinner, He always needs the sinner's help. "He converts thee not without thy help," as St Augustine says."

- Meister Eckhart

To Live Of Love

1.
The eve His life of love drew near its end,
Thus Jesus spoke: “Whoever loveth Me,
And keeps My word as Mine own faithful friend,
My Father, then and I his guests will be;
Within his heart will make Our dwelling above.
Our palace home, true type of heaven above.
There, filled with peace, We will that he shall rest,
With us, in love.

2.
Incarnate Word! Thou Word of God alone!
To live of love, ’tis to abide with Thee.
Thou knowest I love Thee, Jesus Christ, my Own!
Thy Spirit’s fire of love enkindleth me.
By loving Thee, I draw the Father here
Down to my heart, to stay with me always.
Blest Trinity! Thou art my prisoner dear,
Of love, to-day.

3.
To live of love, ’tis by Thy life to live,
O glorious King, my chosen, sole Delight!
Hid in the Host, how often Thou dost give
Thyself to those who seek Thy radiant light.
Then hid shall be my life, unmarked, unknown,
That I may have Thee heart to heart with me;
For loving souls desire to be alone,
With love, and Thee!

4.
To live of love, ’tis not to fix one’s tent
On Tabor’s height and there with Thee remain.
‘Tis to climb Calvary with strength nigh spent,
And count Thy heavy cross our truest gain.
In heaven, my life a life of joy shall be,
The heavy cross shall then be gone for aye.
Here upon earth, in suffering with Thee,
Love! let me stay.

5.
To live of love, ’tis without stint to give,
An never count the cost, nor ask reward;
So, counting not the cost, I long to live
And show my dauntless love for Thee, dear Lord!
O Heart Divine, o’erflowing with tenderness,
How swift I run, who all to Thee has given!
Naught but Thy love I need, my life to bless.
That love is heaven!

6.
To live of love, it is to know no fear;
No memory of past faults can I recall;
No imprint of my sins remaineth here;
The fire of Love divine effaces all.
O sacred flames! O furnace of delight!
I sing my safe sweet happiness to prove.
In these mild fires I dwell by day, by night.
I live of love!

7.
To live of love, ’tis in my heart to guard
A mighty treasure in a fragile vase.
Weak, weak, am I, O well?beloved Lord!
Nor have I yet an angel’s perfect grace.
But, if I fall each hour that hurries by,
Thou com’st to me from Thy bright home above,
And, raising me, dost give me strength to cry:
I live of love!

8.
To live of love it is to sail afar
And bring both peace and joy where’er I be.
0 Pilot blest! love is my guiding star;
In every soul I meet, Thyself I see.
Safe sail I on, through wind or rain or ice;
Love urges me, love conquers every gale.
High on my mast behold is my device:
“By love I sail!”

9.
To live of love, it is when Jesus sleeps
To sleep near Him, though stormy waves beat nigh.
Deem not I shall awake Him! On these deeps
Peace reigns, like that the Blessed know.on high.
To Hope, the vovage seems one little day;
Faith’s hand shall soon the veil between remove;
‘Tis Charity that swells my sail alway.
I live of love!

10.
To live of love, 0 Master dearest, best!
It is to beg Thee light Thy holiest fires
Within the soul of each anointed priest,
Till he shall feel the Seraphim’s desires;
It is to beg Thee guard Thy Church, 0 Christ!
For this I plead with Thee by night, by day;
And give myself, in sacrifice unpriced,
With love alway!

11.
To live of love, it is to dry Thy tears,
To seek for pardon for each sinful soul,
To strive to save all men from doubts and fears,
And bring them home to Thy benign control.
Comes to my ear sin’s wild and blasphemous roar;
So, to efface each day, that burning shame,
I cry: ” 0 Jesus Christ! I Thee adore.
I love Thy Name!”

12.
To live of love, ’tis Mary’s part to share,
To bathe with tears and odorous perfume
Thy holy feet, to wipe them with my hair,
To kiss them; then still loftier lot assume,?
To rise, and by Thy side to take my place,
And pour my ointments on Thy holy head.
But with no balsams I embalm Thy Face!
‘Tis love, instead!

13.
“To live of love, ?what foolishness she sings!”
So cries the world. “Renounce such idle jov!
Waste not thy perfumes on such trivial things.
In useful arts thy talents now employ!”
To love Thee, Jesus! Ah, this loss is gain;
For all my perfumes no reward seek I.
Quitting the world, I sing in death’s sweet pain:
Of love I die!

14.
To die of love, O martyrdom most blest!
For this I long, this is my heart’s desire;
My exile ends; I soon will be at rest.
Ye Cherubim, lend, lend to me your lyre!
O dart of Seraphim, O flame of love,
Consume me wholly; hear my ardent cry!
Jesu, make reall my dream! Come Holy Dove!
Of love I die!

15.
To die of love, behold my life’s long hope!
God is my one exceeding great reward.
He of my wishes forms the end and scope;
Him only do I seek; my dearest Lord.
With passionate love for Him my heart is riven.
O may He quickly come! He draweth nigh!
Behold my destiny, behold my heaven,–
OF LOVE TO DIE.

February 25, 1895
Poems of St. Teresa, Carmelite of Lisieux,
known as The “Little Flower of Jesus,”
Translated by S.L. Emery,

Originally Posted by Honza

As you probably have guessed I am undecided about many spiritual things. I do not *know* we are fallen and sinners. It just seems quite likely.

I am growing in my acceptance of Eastern mysticism and the I AM. I am learning to love myself and accept responsibility for myself. I have gained a lot from the East.

When you pick up a flower, there is only that moment. No thinking necessary. A moment of tranquility.

Originally Posted by janielee

When you pick up a flower, there is only that moment. No thinking necessary. A moment of tranquility.

Wow!!!
Thanks for these last 4 posts here janielee.

[davidmartin]

Originally Posted by sky123

Biblical Christianity doesn't really allow for acceptance , it's their way or the highway

Thankfully we have Christians who do follow the Teachings of Jesus without the dogma....

Yes there is something beautiful in Christianity that doesn't need any dogma
Religion is a convoluted mess but the beautiful thing remains. This is what Jesus meant when he spoke about the hidden pearl, or if you like, the original pearl.
I've seen my fair share of ranting preachers weilding their magic spell and trying to force people into their mindset with every trick in the book, taking their money away. Walking away from them, I realised, they don't know the truth.