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thanks Martin, I appreciate the time you have taken to write a response here. You gave me some things to work with... and was able to remind me to centre myself a bit more into a unified sense of relating... as I had pulled alot of aspects apart like an engine haha and was trying to relate to something singular - and forgetting to look at its role within the whole engine 
I've been given a bit to chew on here so will take some time now haha- get a coffee- work my job and then come back to chew on a bit more lol
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Nice to hear Emerald, any mention of Holy Spirit guaranteed to get me talking! the engine analogy is interesting. the spiritual engineer working with the different pieces and puts them back together again, after the theologians have finished breaking stuff :)
Glad of anything to help keep bashing away on keyboard your long post on insights was fascinating and got me thinking
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I love how you have the perspective of it being a blessing to not have any strong church influences reguarding the Holy Spirit - I feel happy that this is one of the few things my childhood church didn't sink their teeth into too much - although a part of me wonders if a bit of contrast for understanding might help in this instance
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sounds like this church got something right then!
being legalists they wouldn't have a clue what to make of it, although it animates them and what they love
yet in Charismatic churches, they can really go weird over the Holy Spirit and do harm in another way
I think the praise and worship is the best thing about churches that get it right, even if the preaching is whack. Holy Spirit will overlook a lot. Preachers think presence of Holy Spirit validates their preaching. No it doesn't. You can overlook the preaching too, just like the Holy Spirit does!
Only thing is, it's possible to conjure a different spirit too,
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The church was hardly helpful here, a sermon i remember was all about not trusting your feelings, you mean I thought like, not trusting God?
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It's that they were saying feelings are unreliable and scripture should be the sole source of authority in believers life, and although they didn't mention it, 'as interpreted by them' was implicit in the message.
As if the Pharisees weren't saying the same sort of thing...
Feelings and the soul and heart is the one place we get to experience any kind of divinity and they're raising objections. I'm not having it!
I don't think Jesus could stand it either, it's nice to feel your on the same page as him sometimes.
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The Spirit is the Living Water Jesus spoke of, by which we are born again. This carries feminine overtones which are put in beautiful and holy language by Jesus
this is interesting... as usual I will have to take your word on that until I do myself some more reading
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how about this Emerald,
The whole thing is there in what Jesus said, being born again
Where are we born from, a womb.
The Spirit having a womb-like nature, if that's not feminine I don't know what is!
All you ever here is about the birth, well we did not become alive at the moment of birth, we came alive in the womb first then were born
Being born of the Spirit, is how Jesus talked, it's beautiful. I'm inclined to stand up for what he said and head in that direction. If there was nothing there I'd come back but there is something there
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Though for the purpose of assisting mine own empowerment as a woman on this earth I find it helpful to draw upon repressed feminine expression to bring it out and foward and having a clear seperation of the two energies I guess. Although my natural soul preference is neautrality
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Got it, makes sense. Probably would do the same, although the great thing about being a man is you can stand up for women against other men that don't.
I just worry because if they get too separate it looks like a battle of the sexes, already some Christians are reacting against anything the slightest bit feminine in spirituality. That's kind of harmful, the neutral approach lets you breath and avoid all the trouble
I mean, the battle can end up holding back the victory
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Likewise, manifestations and spirit possession of some charismatics is not the Holy Spirit I know and love interesting you say that, my feelings on this is it is a prop in a show... it sort of turns the whole thing into a bit of a state production - it reminds me of those stage hypnotists who attract large crowds
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Yes have you ever been to one of those gigs?
The stuff I witnessed there forever changed my opinion on spiritual reality. They do hypnotise them, also they really do tap into something real and dark is what I think.
When the person in front of you starts cackling like a witch and another one looks round and stares at you with the most mocking look you've ever seen, you tend to **** your pants. It may sound funny but it wasn't and shook me up. There was electric atmosphere in there, I resisted it but did feel a tingle on my head briefly. My hands were shaking with cold for days afterwards. This is the Holy Spirit? I bet my eternal soul it isn't. The implications of this are unbelievably huge. Deception is a reality and it's in some churches
My Christian friends all loved it of course, what can you do?
It's an inspiration to keep pushing ahead on my own path through the overgrowth and brambles even if it seems harder and hopeless at times its easier than finding yourself led into confusion and isolation in a crowd of people :)
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