Is spiritualism really growing?

[Altair]

I agree.. immorality seems to be taking over the world. No country or place is safe. However, I disagree with you that it's because of science. Sure, technological advancement and a desire across the world to consume resources and energy is a huge problem, one that wouldn't have been around without science making life easier for a lot of people. However, science is neutral, and how we consume and how large our numbers are can be blamed on ignorance and power structures..

Originally Posted by Shinya

I personally hope, near the future, science will reveal the evidence of our soul and the life after death, and change all people's mind shortly.

Even if ''the soul'' is proven I doubt it would change anything. I know I will live on, and yet that does nothing to me. It does not change my reality in the now nor does it help the world. It also seems to me it can make people more disinterested in the now and instead fantasize about other worlds..
Every religion would also pray on people's minds and claim to have ''proof'' of their version on the afterlife. It would lead us nowhere if the ''soul'' was scientifically proven, I'm afraid..

[SilentWolfMan777]

Originally Posted by Shinya

>>Altair
"I think you mean spirituality, not spiritualism? The latter is a movement that concerns itself with the deceased (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism)."



I'm a newbie of this forum, so maybe I should have posted this thread to "Spiritualism" section, not here(Spirituality). I feel sorry for that now.
Personally I like the teachings of spiritualism, the movement started from 19th century, to spread knowledge about the truth of the life after death, and I've read many of them so far.
But I'm not a believer of spiritualism or any religion. I just want to know what "the law of God" or "the law of the cosmos" is.

Yeah, I also think that's basically an individual matter. Only the people who want to know about it should learn it. But I often think in this modern age, how we humans are ethically blind compared to our technological advance.
Look at this modern world. I think this 21st century is quite a special era. Human population is skyrocketing, in 1600, it was 0.5 billion, in 1800, it was 1 billion, but in 2019, there are 7.6 billion people.
Also, our civilization had completely changed by automobile, airplane, TV, cellphone, internet, etc...
Now our lifetime is average nearly 80 years thanks to our great medical, and we can go to the other side of the earth just in a half day.

But compared to such tremendous materialistic advancement, our ethic or mentality hasn't evolved at all in the past few centuries.
As I wrote, in my country, science is becoming the absolute religion day by day, and they are becoming more materialistic day by day...it means they are becoming more shallow, and stupider day by day...
They don't believe anything which they can't see because science deny it.

I honestly think this is the crisis for entire humanity. Like all future humans can be atheist or materialist. It means egoism will eventually take this world, and demagogues will take each government and our civilization will fall in the end.

That's why I want to feel some sign from the unseen world, like they are still helping us to enlighten people...
That's why I want to know if there are recently descended(published) genuine spiritual messages or not.

I personally hope, near the future, science will reveal the evidence of our soul and the life after death, and change all people's mind shortly.
But maybe linen53 and hallow's opinion are more far-sighted than me. Our society might not change that easily. It can happen step by step.

Here's an unexpected opinion; everything is spiritual. Including pornography, theft, bullying & that empty bottle being thrown on the side of the highway.

You can't separate God from his creation, we are all inside his divine mind right now (and forever).

It's evidently about access for you, do you know that someone living now would tell you this is actually the most spiritual time ever?

All you need to do is look into New Thought & New Age material. They're channeling aliens, ETs, Angels and all kinds of entities DAILY. Hoping to awaken and bring the populous closer to non-physicality. There's 1000x more channeled 'light work' material now than there ever was. More and more people are coming together online (which didn't happen in the past) and forming cults, spiritual groups, secret societies and fraternal brotherhoods. For this very reason, becoming God again.

I would actually go as far as saying Science & Technology are making God accessible to everyone more easily now. Think about it. It's not fancy shallow Transhumanism, back in the day, could you talk in real-time to someone who is not physically next to you? No. Technology made it possible; these are the gifts of God. Omnipresence. Omniscience. Omnipotence. Today we are closer to God because we can know anything, speak to anyone anywhere, and be able to USE more of our inherit gifts.

Think of how spiritual the internet it. It makes an abstract concept actually understandable with a physical representation (Modem & PC). In order to access/experience a location anywhere in Creation all you need is it's unique address (www) to make it relative to you.

This is how we will use our consciousnesses to travel to distant galaxies by folding space and making the there relative to the here, with a mental URL.

There's a lot of exciting stuff ahead.
If you would like to know of 'God's Law' just hop onto my AMA thread.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

Even if ''the soul'' is proven I doubt it would change anything. I know I will live on, and yet that does nothing to me. It does not change my reality in the now nor does it help the world. It also seems to me it can make people more disinterested in the now and instead fantasize about other worlds..

Every religion would also pray on people's minds and claim to have ''proof'' of their version on the afterlife. It would lead us nowhere if the ''soul'' was scientifically proven, I'm afraid..

This is one argument, but many would disagree.

If the Soul is proven to exist then science would have to re-evaluate the nature of a human being. Instead of reducing all human processes to brain activity, science might seriously investigate the nature of consciousness as something separate from the brain. This in turn might transform medicine from simply trying to treat physical symptoms to a more holistic approach.

You say "I know I will live on, and yet that does nothing to me." This seems strange. Does it not totally transform your relationship with death? The fear of death underlies most peoples' lives, yet for you this fear has been removed. And when family members die, you know that they too live on, and so you are spared the whole process of grieving. You may miss them, but you know that they have just gone elsewhere and future reunion is possible.

Yes, knowledge of the Soul does not change the reality of this present moment which we have to deal with, but it does put our existence into a greater perspective. Many people suffer needlessly because they cannot see their lives from this greater perspective. Proof of the existence of the Soul may fuel fantasies about other realms of existence but it may also make people seek a greater understanding of their reason for being here.

Religions may continue to preach their own particular version of the afterlife, but proof of the existence of the Soul may also lead to a greater understanding of Soul purpose. Reincarnation may become an acceptable field of study, and some of the major religions would have to change their entire belief system. We might even become a race where science and religion share a common goal.

So it is possible that scientific proof of the existence of the Soul may change everything. The idea that nothing would change seems a bit limited.

Peace.

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by Shinya

I personally hope, near the future, science will reveal the evidence of our soul and the life after death, and change all people's mind shortly.

Shinya,

Personally, I think there is merit in the skepticism you alluded to in the growth of spirituality. Science, IMO, might represent an impediment to the growth of spirituality. Here, in brief, is my reasoning for making this assertion:

Greek has traditionally used 3 basic words for knowledge: doxa, episteme, gnosis. Doxa(accepting the knowledge of others, popular opinion, etc.), episteme(acquisition of knowledge via proof, science) and gnosis(knowledge via personal experience of it). The advent of science moves more and more people to the stage of doxa and away from both episteme and gnosis. A very simple example...…….we believe the earth is round because we accept the proof of others(doxa), science offers a proof that the earth is round(episteme) and an astronaut sees and experiences that the earth is round(gnosis).

Under these 3 understandings I believe in the necessity of gnosis for a genuine spiritualty......ie. an experience of the divine and not simply acceptance of the beliefs of others. In scriptural terms....."taste and see that the Lord is good"......this demands an actual experience rather than the acceptance of the beliefs of others.

[John32241]

Hi,

It does happen step by step. Some times we take one step foreward and then go back two. Learning is like that.

In the Kryon channeled messages it speaks of a marker. The date Dec 21, 2012 is that point. That is the point at which our human evolution will begin. So we are just 6 years into a grand awakening that starts what will take millions of years on evolution.

I feel it is best to be grateful we did not completely destroy our selves. That was the prediction. Some how we got past that point. Now we are just beinning to learn how to crawl. Walking and running are not things which will happen for us quickly. However in my view those things will happen.

John

[Altair]

Others live on but I don't know where they go nor if I will be with them again. From the perspective of still being here on earth it's, at least for most people, also mostly an agnostic thing of staying in the dark about it all. We don't have the phone number of the afterlife..

I also have no clue what will happen to me, where I will go, how I will be judged, and whether or not I have to reincarnate and under what conditions. It is a very powerless feeling. To say you need to put ''trust'' in that is easy to say when you have it well in life, but for a lot of people and life in general it isn't pleasant. The chances of worse conditions are simply higher. Knowing that I have a spiritual side basically answers nothing, and only brings forth more questions. It's much easier for a person when there's a belief in annihilation, because even all the worries would be gone. Those people have it easier IMO.

We live on, but we have little control over the grand scheme of things, we're but tools or playthings in a game..

[Found Goat]

A century and a half ago, the answer to your excellent question would have been a resounding yes-yes.

As it stands today, in our postmodern era, the disembodied spirits, as with the fairies of yore, have pretty much moved underground, so to speak, and very likely much to their chagrin. This, I’m only speculating on.

If Spiritualism is on the decline in our times, which I feel it is within the mainstream culture, I don’t think it is on account of a lack of earthbound spirits but rather due to the enchanted daemonic dimensions being pushed to the margins of an increasingly secularized world.

I would love to be able to go back to the mid-1800s and experience the dawn of Spiritualism all over again. Here in the so-called enlightened 21st century, it’s considered horse-and-buggy.

Still, I have a feeling that there are many among humankind yet in sync and in tune with Spirits but who do not go about publicizing their findings, as such ones are not after fame or wealth or even ridicule for that matter. It’s enough for them to know the truth of this, privately.

I get the sense that scientific materialism would very much like for these entities to be banished from the ether, so the upholders of scientism may sleep better at night.

For me, it’s not a question of people believing because of their being frightened of possibly being alone in the universe, but of certain grown-ups still being afraid of the bogeyman, enough to dismiss the existence of the spirit realm out of hand.

This is such a great and important question you raised!

What I find difficult to accept is that there are those even within the believer camp who think it will be left up to science to prove the existence of the spiritual dimension. I hope it never comes to this. Spirits mingling with labcoats? Well, it’s no biggie, I suppose. Yet, if I were a spirit wanting to make contact with my former dimension, I would not choose someone who’s out to make a buck or a name for himself. But that’s just me.

Perhaps channeling may still be thriving in community form in some regions of the globe, and if so I’d like to know where. Global expansion has to start somewhere.

Sometimes I think it would be something if within academia mediumship was recognized and even taught, but I suspect that will never happen, at least not in our time.

Just once I would like to read of a professional debunker – in the midst of his attending a genuine seance and out to disprove the practice – having explosively emitted ectoplasm from his nostrils! His likely reaction would be to reach for his unclean handkerchief and wonder why it is he was never blessed.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by hallow

do you think "like aged souls" cycle through the ages. Like earth being of mostly old souls then after that generation a young soul generation comes to rise so on and so on?

There aren't many old souls yet. I think old souls are sprinkled throughout society. When they cycle out there are new old souls to take their place. It gives the population balance. But the majority of the souls incarnating at any given time right now are young to middle age souls. At some point they will stop adding new souls to this populace so the rest can cycle out, then give Mother Earth some time to rest before using her for another massive undertaking.

[lemex]

I think what can be said is we can see an evolution of consciousness that has happened that is not the past, people are moving from old idea, especially some they say don't make much sense. People believe they should have input now not just follow blindly. I am like that. In modern times, people are more open, to include even within there own (formal) systems and even disagree with many ideas they are told to follow. If a person can't find a question in their own system they just aren't looking and things need to change. Many people disagree with areas of teaching having their own idea. but not input. Spiritualism finds spirituality is what I call it, people are becoming more spiritual. Ideas now so different then even a few years ago. I see this discussed privately many times. We know (experience) many ideas are wrong (don't feel it's right). Spirituality is being brought into spiritualism, that's what it feels like. Are there things in your own belief system you disagree with you know can be argued. People are bringing their own ideas into the systems they follow to bring it up to date. People feel their input is valid. Modern attitude are far different today then even a few years ago and one can expect as time progresses will even be more open. I've noticed in the modern era a majority of people express somewhat different ideas privately on things that are taught? And this has led me to wonder, who knows more, the teacher (authority) or the student (questioner) that applies. We tend to see authority repeats, and trained to, narratives and not open to change in ideas individuals are. We are now finally asking question. In fact if the teacher does not learn and repeat those idea cannot be a teacher. Today more are asking certain things be discussed. Why isn't this valid or why isn't that valid. More and more people are moving away to spirituality. More and more are seeing old ideas once promoted as wrong for instance and choose not to follow ideas that do not conform to being spiritual. For example, I argue with (about) God all the time and feel I have the right to. Spirituality and individual input toward it I would say is growing. If various system are to survive they are going to have to grow themselves.

[Ghost_Rider_1970]

Originally Posted by SilentWolfMan777

Here's an unexpected opinion; everything is spiritual. Including pornography, theft, bullying & that empty bottle being thrown on the side of the highway.

You can't separate God from his creation, we are all inside his divine mind right now (and forever).

It's evidently about access for you, do you know that someone living now would tell you this is actually the most spiritual time ever?

All you need to do is look into New Thought & New Age material. They're channeling aliens, ETs, Angels and all kinds of entities DAILY. Hoping to awaken and bring the populous closer to non-physicality. There's 1000x more channeled 'light work' material now than there ever was. More and more people are coming together online (which didn't happen in the past) and forming cults, spiritual groups, secret societies and fraternal brotherhoods. For this very reason, becoming God again.

I would actually go as far as saying Science & Technology are making God accessible to everyone more easily now. Think about it. It's not fancy shallow Transhumanism, back in the day, could you talk in real-time to someone who is not physically next to you? No. Technology made it possible; these are the gifts of God. Omnipresence. Omniscience. Omnipotence. Today we are closer to God because we can know anything, speak to anyone anywhere, and be able to USE more of our inherit gifts.

Think of how spiritual the internet it. It makes an abstract concept actually understandable with a physical representation (Modem & PC). In order to access/experience a location anywhere in Creation all you need is it's unique address (www) to make it relative to you.

This is how we will use our consciousnesses to travel to distant galaxies by folding space and making the there relative to the here, with a mental URL.

There's a lot of exciting stuff ahead.
If you would like to know of 'God's Law' just hop onto my AMA thread.

I absolutely love this post! Thank you much SilentWolfMan777