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Old 07-03-2011, 12:49 PM
mattie
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Beliefs Vary Considerably About God's Gender

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What is the source of your knowledge about the supreme creator?

If the Bible account of creation is the true one then God should be called "he" because that is how he has revealed himself to us. He created humans in his own image and the reason we have personality and gender is that these characteristics are reflections of what he is.

This was in response to: 'Originally Posted by mac
If 'God' is the supreme creator - rather than some mythical, human-made god - then neither god nor goddess has much meaning. The supreme creator has no gender and isn't personified.
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MANY have come to believe that the energies we call god have fully merged their male/female energies many Ds prior to getting to the god level & that it isn’t correct to call god either he or her. A genderless WHOLE being.

You seem to take the bible’s version of this as inviolable fact. Many don’t & have allot of questions about this document.

Mac’s version of this is just as valid as yours. If you consider that it is your right to consider god a male, do you not extend the same right to one’s own beliefs to others or do you demand that they adhere to your particular beliefs? Would you be OK w/ others demanding that you adhere to their beliefs?
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:35 PM
mattie
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Souls are androgynous. That is, they hold both the positive and negative aspects within themselves. When incarnating in the physical, the positive being the active principal, becomes male. The negative, being the receptive principal, becomes female.
God, being the active principal in creation, is said to be male.
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Positive energies being male & negative ones being female is similar to male energies being active & female ones being passive. Male & female energies are both powerful energies in their own ways. A whole being does not exist w/o BOTH of these present.

If ‘Souls are androgynous.’ it is curious why god would not be considered to be androgynous as well. Are souls androgynous while god is not? Would this not put souls above god?

The disenfranchisement of women in most religions stems from beliefs such as the male is the active principal in creation. If one thinks about it this really has no basis except the cultural assumption that the female is more passive than the male or should be subservient to the male. BOTH a sperm & an egg are necessary to create human life. Neither one does it alone.
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Old 07-03-2011, 02:26 PM
mattie
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God Is Neither He Or She

The simple answer is that the men who wrote the bible were interested in holding power as closely as possible. They managed to figure out only to have to have half of the population as potential competitors in the religious-political bureaucracy.

It was a very clever move for the Roman Emperor to disenfranchise women by way of religious texts as this took power away from half of the population in one fell swoop by demonizing them, making them responsible for sin. This then set up a natural division between men & women (divide & conquer) that has taken 2000+ years to begin to remedy. The amount of anti-female rhetoric that stemmed from this is astounding both in religion & in society in general.

Energetically, many levels before getting to the level of the energies we call god the female & male energies are fully merged. WHOLE BEINGS. Calling god she is no more correct than calling god he even though the urge is understandable. While it may be a bit awkward for some to call god IT, this is the more accurate pronoun. It is actually disrespectful to call god he or she as this diminishes this being or level of energy that is soooooo much more than a single gender.

Internal Queries is spot on about ‘... the mysogeny of the Bible myth writers is evident from the get go.’ Countless examples exist throughout the entire document. This view of women is one of the reasons many are turning away from this religion (& others) as inherently unfair & woefully outdated.

The bible was written to institutionalize the power of the Roman Empire, co-opting the older pagan religions & the new Christian one, placing the Roman Emperor in the position of being god’s enforcer. The Romans routinely co-opted the religions of those they conquered to get rid of expected opposition. In the 4th century Bishop Eusebuis crafted the history of Christianity to fit the Roman Emperor’s desire to control all the religions. The ‘Jesus Mysteries’ (Freke & Gandy) details how Eusebuis provided this history that remains as the current bible for the Emperor w/ scant regard for the facts.

Former Episcopalian Bishop John Shelby Spong, a very strong proponent of Christianity, has stated that the biblical Christian message contended that women are thoroughly evil stemming from the story of Eve, that woman is lesser than man & responsible for sin, & have been kept out of all meaningful positions in the church hierarchy except as ceremonial figures. (johnshelbyspong.com/). Bishop Spong is a proponent of exposing the problematic biblical passages to SAVE Christianity, contending that these problematic passages are quickly causing the demise of this faith & should be openly addressed. He reviews these in his book, ‘Jesus For the NonReligious.’

Some have moved past the concept of god being a sole deity to the concept of god being all of those who are at that level of consciousness, a unified consciousness. As we expand our awareness we progressively occupy a broader perspective to increasing Oneness (individual, planetary, galactic, universal) w/ each dimensional level we occupy. While we have learned much more about how energy works, the 2000+ year old image of a male deity sitting on high over us (w/ a thunderbolt) still curiously persists.
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Old 25-03-2011, 12:37 AM
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The Bible has portions that call masculinze him. But, Christ saud there is neither male or female, in the Kingdom of God which is a Spiritual one.
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Old 26-03-2011, 03:23 AM
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The Bible has portions that call masculinze him. But, Christ saud there is neither male or female, in the Kingdom of God which is a Spiritual one.

God has no gender and we all humans give it. God is not Jesus and not any name and God is a powerhouse of energy and sources of consciousness and we are confusing ourselves and the rest we live with.

Jesus is a mythical figure and there is no lineage to him though he was just born around 2000 years ago as our mythology says.
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:25 PM
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God has no gender and we all humans give it. God is not Jesus and not any name and God is a powerhouse of energy and sources of consciousness and we are confusing ourselves and the rest we live with.

Jesus is a mythical figure and there is no lineage to him though he was just born around 2000 years ago as our mythology says.


I agree with that. Though as a Muslim I believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Messenger only and a real person who actually existed.

HE is just a term as its better than saying "IT" concerning Allah or God, its more graceful and god fearing to say "HE". That doesnt mean gender, Allah (God) doesnt have a gender.

In the quran it also says "WE" buit that doesnt mean more than one, but again its more graceful and royal. The british queen (I know you dont like her (just an example)), says "we" aswell in her address meaning herself not including anyone else. Not that she deserves that title, not osmeone as frail as that. No offence royalty supporters (if there are any)
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:39 PM
supernova
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I agree with that. Though as a Muslim I believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Messenger only and a real person who actually existed.

HE is just a term as its better than saying "IT" concerning Allah or God, its more graceful and god fearing to say "HE". That doesnt mean gender, Allah (God) doesnt have a gender.

In the quran it also says "WE" buit that doesnt mean more than one, but again its more graceful and royal. The british queen (I know you dont like her (just an example)), says "we" aswell in her address meaning herself not including anyone else. Not that she deserves that title, not osmeone as frail as that. No offence royalty supporters (if there are any)

The existence of Jesus has not been documented yet. Even if keep on connecting generations we will never reach the empire of Jesus.

Was there a resurrection? The second coming? Jesus' reappearance after his crucification?

I do not want to argue with you and yet I find the entire episode melodramatic.

I do not care whether God is labeled "He" or "She" now. All that amazes is the fact that people are blindly following a faith and inventing Jesus, Moses, Peter and the like, painting out of their imagination.
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Old 06-04-2011, 04:11 PM
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there are decidely feminine overtones to the Jesus portrayal. Jesus is the polar opposite of the aggressive and cruel OT desert deity. he passive and obedient to the will of "The Father" and he is pierced and bleeds like a virgin on her wedding night. Jesus is, at the crux, a symbol of male/female/androgeny. it's a complex symbolism that most Christians, because of their simplistic worship of the alpha male, fail to recognize.
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