Can we really cure diseases like cancer with positive thinking?

Originally Posted by markings

There is no single reason, no single cause for most things. Everyone's body has a weak spot somewhere where disease might get a hold given an opportunity. Nutrition, especially in early childhood, social and environmental factor all contribute to disease.
We know that things run in families and not only genetically. Children of successful families are much more likely to be successful. This may be partly due to the mindset which is passed on and in that way 'karmic' influences may span many generations.

I know it can be a matter of DNA.And I do believe in the fact that our DNA can be alerted with our mindset. It requires lot of effort though. But once we reach the tipping point things are easier thereafter.

What I have noticed with my own experience is that it is somewhat easier to manifest material stuff than people/love.People have their own mind and free will hence we cannot really make them like us. But to a certain extent we CAN attract material things rather easily with practice. Again some people manifest fast other don't.

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

My mother was a positive thinker, but she still died of cancer. So NO, don't fall for that ''positivity cures everything'' hogwash.

I am so sorry to hear that. But I hope she is happier and healthier wherever she is now.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

There are many factors...sometimes we can help the person undercover what they could be...sometimes not.

I have said to people if their is a sliver of doubt in your mind...forget it.
People can say with tears how much they love God, have faith in God, believe He wants them healed and has the power
to heal them ...you proceed with the healing and 'nothing'.

Only to find out, tho their faith is super, they are holding deep within
them a b-e-l-i-e-f....that they deserve this disease...or God is punishing them...
or they are 'bad' and God really doesn't want to heal them...Oy vey...it can be such work.

Now, could the person have made a blueprint before incarnating to die
this way at 40 years old! for whatever reason, we do not know?

There are many factors to this...and the most important thing to know is it is all perfect...
there is no death anyway...we are always exactly where we are meant to be...here or on the Other Side.

Yeah that is what we all struggle. The struggle to change our core beliefs. I may go on affirming that I am going to in the lottery but I know very well within me how is it even possible. There is at least a tiny doubt. If we can change our core beliefs we will most definitely manifest anything.

I like what you have said about death. Yeah it is only passing on to another place.Like changing houses. When house becomes no longer suitable to live we have to shift. It is not the death which makes/scares us .It is having to leave the loved ones.

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by FrankieJG

Well I totally understand what you mean. People doing the worst things lead perfect lives. There are countless times that I have said karma is bull **** but whether I believe in karma or not some invisible hand really is controlling each other's lives.
You are absolutely right about that we are supposed to know WHY we are getting punished. For what bad thing we did in the past. I wish that was possible but universe doesn't always happen the way we wish. In Buddhism most of the things which happen are due to karma but not all. People don't make bad choices because of bad karma. And it is his own bad choice which give him bad results and not karma.

I believe there are still many more laws that people haven't discovered yet. Perhaps LUCK.I can't agree with this "positivity makes you lucky". Some are lucky because they are positive and some are positive all the time yet not lucky at all. I was not positive but many of my exam results were miracles and my batch mates kept on saying you have a luck when it comes to exams. I know very well that I wasn't positive.I didn't study like they did. Somehow I ended up getting the highest marks with little effort. I don't know how I inherited that.
Similarly some are lucky in their finances. Whether they visualize or not they buy their SUV without any hassle. Some find their love whether they activate their heart chakra or not.They don't even know what it means. While others go on for years visualizing and affirming don't get a single proper date. Maybe this is destiny. God is not punishing anyone as I don't believe that God created us. God/s do help us but there is no such thing as punishment. I think it is the destiny each of us have. Sure we can change it but only to a certain extent.There is always some limitation. There are avenues in the universe we are not meant to discover. The best thing is accept the reality as it is and be happy and grateful for what we already have without being jealous ,complaining or questioning about what other have or get. In the mean time I don't see any bad in being positive whether it is going to make me win the lottery or not. Positivity gives us hope. And hope helps us in keeping step.

Well, in case I'm wrong and karma exists I hope whatever douchebag being that invented karma gets a taste of it's own medicine and goes to hell for all I care.

And I don't know if positivity really works as a lucky charm, it just helps you to feel better but it doesn't change any outcome. There are lots of jerks dwelling around on this oversized mudball that get everything done despite screwing other people over it. Imho luck just happens randomly, wheter you're positive or not.

[barrynu]

We must have a balance between the physical healing work and the mental healing work.....here is a part of something I read today.

"Shivarpita: Modern western doctors are tremendously skillful in dealing with the gross physical body. They are not given a whole lot of training in something even as clearly important as nutrition, much less in how the mind and energy systems affect the health and well-being of the gross physical body. They are specialists of the gross physical body. When they say to their patient, “There is nothing more we can do,” they literally mean there is nothing western medical science can do. They do not mean there is nothing more that can be done. They’ve just reached the edge of their training. But if the patient hears it as, “Now I’m a hopeless case,” then there’s a negative effect on their healing process, because the mind has become hopeless. The neurotransmitter flow is affected; the neuro-peptides are affected."

Originally Posted by FrankieJG

Not only cancer but any other serious illnesses which are hard to cure. Often called as placebo effect?

James: This is the sort of direct question which demands a direct answer. Being vague and iffy with the response will only arouse the critics among us.

You have not told us exactly what you mean by "positive thinking" so I cannot respond to that. I can, however, say with certainty that diseases can be removed from a body using the mind as a cause. More specifically a cancerous tumor can definitely be removed by someone who is capable of doing so. OK that sounds like double talk but what I mean is that the healer must be competent. Good intentions and wishful thinking are not enough.

The same forces that are used in creating are used to heal. Both the creator and the healer first visualize the desired result. Then they direct their minds to the specific spiritual level in which they have competence. Most physical healing is done on the etheric, via the mental or higher. The healer then finds the tumor in the body. Next he or she goes to the highest level in which they can function and creates the same area of the body but in this new one there is no tumor. Then using mind again the new replaces the old on the ethereal. The physical then has no choice but to follow the new etheric reality. The tumor, on the etheric level is disposed of. The body is cleansed and cured. There are stories of the master Jesus healing sick and raising dead. He used the above mechanism to do these things. In Jesus' case He directed His mind to a level above the divine and, using His high access as a cause, created on the etheric plane the new body which was them merged with the old physical. which was in front of Him. It is literally mind over matter. This was real and that is the way it was done. It was not magic, something from nothing, but real with observable methods (to someone was capable of observing).

Most healers create on the ethereal plane, close to the body in question. They simply make a new part and merge it with the waiting body. In a technical sense this is not complicated. The old diseased part is then returned to the creative mass where is is absorbed. I know of one healer who sends bad things into our sun for disposal. But they have to go somewhere. They can't be left laying about to hurt others.

Can we create such things? Yes. We create on the physical plane all the time. We also create on the astral plane. When we are emotionally aroused others at a distance sometimes "feel" that something is wrong where we are. This is because we have created an astral thoughtform which has substance on the astral plane. It goes to others who are in sympathy. It is felt. We can also create on the mental plane. All of these things we do during our lifetimes. We largely do not know that we are doing any of it except that work on the physical where we can easily see the results. This business is different for the adept or master who is very aware of higher realities.

To the critic the above sounds like mumbo jumbo. To someone in the Philippines who has witnessed psychic surgery it is fact. And we are left to wonder why these things seem to always happen in parts of the world that are removed from "western mind sets"? Again we find, if we reduce the question to the elemental level, that a group focus aids the healing effort. And where in the world can such a group mind be present? In the wilds of some "backwards" country such things are much easier than here in America because the people are largely uncomplicated. They are willing to trust and believe where we are given to doubting and disbelief. Exceptions here in America are usually found in intense Christian revivals because of the strong focus of minds which are found in those groups. Another exception will be found in the individual, such as a single family member, who feels so strongly that a barrier is set aside and, for a moment, access is granted.

In the above I try to tell about how things like healings are accomplished. I know that this doesn't help though. Assisting a person who is watching a loved one suffer is not easy and mere words do not suffice. In the end we are too often left alone in our grief.

I have spoken about palm chakras on this forum. I have mentioned how some of us can turn them on at will and feel things in the bodies of other people, even at a distance. I have done this. I have personally, using my palm chakras examined a body and felt the energy signatures of tumors which were present. They feel like sharply defined hot spots under the hand which is passing above them. The ability to feel the disturbances in the etheric body of another is a first step. In my case this is as much as I can do. I have tried more but have never been successful at actually removing a tumor. I know a man who has done this though. I know a practicioner whose wife had breast cancer. The tumor was removed and she recovered fully with no further medical troubles.

In the above statement is positive thinking a part of what happened at any time? I would say "yes" because without the active and deliberate mind nothing could have happened at all. But when we say "positive mind" we tend to think of a mind which refuses to accept that anything is wrong. Again here in the west it is much harder to find people who are willing to believe in miracles.

I hope the above is helpful. It, at least, will hopefully confirm for you that such things as healings are perfectly possible. It is most difficult to respond to a post like yours because the reader will tend to think you are close to someone who is very sick. What could we possibly say that would help? So we respond in ways that each of us hopes is helpful. If you want more information about what I said please PM me.

[mihael_11]

I don't believe positive thinking is enough, there is much more that that, we are not aware of every organ and tissue how it works, until it is shown to us in the form of disease.

Than there is question of personal energy, of awareness, what you eat, but sure it is, when you are in positive state of mind and positive environment, you are much more active, your energy is flowing and it is much less chance to get sick.

I guess there are people, who can do miracles with what they know.

I was actually very sensitive and picked many things as they are mind, but was not. I deliberately exposed myself in negative environment, to get answers about how all this works, there is just no end to it

Well it takes more than positive thinking.

[smilingsun]

Originally Posted by FrankieJG

Not only cancer but any other serious illnesses which are hard to cure. Often called as placebo effect?

The story of this woman is amazing, there is much more to reality than what is traditionally accepted as true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWf8V1PXN-k

Anita was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and doctors told her family she was just hours away from death. It was at this point that she "crossed over" and then returned again into this world with a clearer understanding of her life and purpose on earth. This understanding subsequently led to a total recovery of her health.

[Miss Hepburn]

Wow, great post, Bartholomew.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Wow, great post, Bartholomew.

You are in the right area Miss Hepburn. Do you remember AMS, the Arizona Metaphysical Society, of Phoenix under Frank Alper? I once experienced a great awakening through his tutelage.