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Old 27-04-2017, 01:06 PM
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[quote=Clear Blue Sky]to simply forgive is to excuse the situation; Christ came to detoxify the situation. not to end death but to pull out its sting.

Why did Christ die, in concrete reality? Because religious professionals were jealous and suspicious and condemning of him. Because the praising crowd was fickle easily swayed like cattle with no integrity. because his disciple were life-fearing cowards who cut and ran. Because Judas. Because Pilate was a pass-the-buck wishy-wash politician. Because Herod was a lackadaisical shrug-it-offer. Because Roman guards were just obeying orders. All of these are the same sort of greed, cowardice, negligence etc we see plagueing our own human environment. They need to be dealt with.[/QUOTE]


Odd, One could easily think this crucificion 2000 years ago, was to at last wipe the slate clean...

Also, crying out 'My god, my God, why hast thou forsaken me' was a bit of a letdown for all those watchers.
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Old 27-04-2017, 01:18 PM
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"It is said that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Why should Jesus suffer when he, as an omnipotent God could have just forgiven our sins by will?"

Didn't Jesus say, do not follow me!. The Crucifixion is a testimony to the consequences of this.
The nut houses of today are filled with would-be omnipotent Gods.

Access to the kingdom of heaven is only for believers, disciples -
and the kingdom of heaven is the city of God,
that lives forever, in the heart of Christ.

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Old 27-04-2017, 10:53 PM
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Didn't Jesus say, do not follow me!. The Crucifixion is a testimony to the consequences of this.
The nut houses of today are filled with would-be omnipotent Gods.

Access to the kingdom of heaven is only for believers, disciples -
and the kingdom of heaven is the city of God,
that lives forever, in the heart of Christ.


can you please provide the reference to where jesus said 'do not follow me?' I haven't heard that one before.
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Old 27-04-2017, 11:41 PM
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Hi FallingLeaves,

Jesus' discussions with Peter, as I recall, on matters of following in the footsteps of the Christ.
Peter was advised and warned, of the road that leads to inevitable crucifixion.
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Old 28-04-2017, 01:51 PM
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When Jesus was carrying on the cross, devotees standing on both sides were weeping. Jesus stopped and told that they should not weep for Him and instead, they should weep for themselves and for their children! What is the meaning of this message? This means that Jesus is going to suffer the crucifixion for just few hours only and after death He is going to enjoy the eternal bliss sitting on the lap of His father in the heaven. If we analyze true fate of those devotees sympathizing Jesus, the actual sympathy is reverse! Those devotees may have happy death, which is for a very short span of time only. But, these devotees and their future generations are going to fall in the liquid fire of hell forever after their short happy deaths. Almost every human incarnation underwent lot of agony in the death time to preach the devotees not to worry about very short span of death but to worry about the long span of suffering in the hell! Shri Satya Sai Baba suffered a lot on death bed for one month. Shri Shirdi Sai Baba suffered a lot during death by transferring TB of His ardent devotee onto Him. Jesus suffered a lot on the cross. Lord Krishna suffered a lot since the hunter shot His foot with arrow and constant bleeding took place till death. Therefore, the matter is not about the short suffering or short happiness of the death, but it matters much about the long span of time in which the soul is going to hell or heaven.
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I totally agree, kisalipa. It matters.

The most important lesson, of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, is to know the connection between The Cross,
and the parable of the Patches and the Wineskin.
If a new patch tears the cloth, as does the new wine in the old wineskins ... then only this gives meaning to the crucifixion.

There is the old. There is the new.

Then ... there is no more to learn.
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