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Old 05-10-2013, 05:21 PM
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One of the fundamental philosophical differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Christianity removes responsibility from the individual and Judaism places it there squarely.

Judaism says that true wealth and happiness comes from achieving and accomplishing, from reaping what you sow. If you sin, you have to make it up yourself by going through a ritual appology and changing your ways.

Christianity has none of that. It says just give your self up to something external and that's it. You're not responsible for your own sins, Christ is... so just give yourself up to him and that's it.

The Jewish philosophy in this matter is EMPOWERING. It says you are an individual, you can accomplish, you can be responsible for your own existence. Indeed this brings us closer to God because God is self-created and, by accomplishing great deeds we become self-created to an extent.

The Christian philosophy in this matter is WEAKENING. It removes a great deal of one's sense of ambition and drive, promoting the 'everyone's a winner' mentality that is destroying the world and basically saying 'just mooch off someone else's sacrifice'.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:46 AM
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One of the fundamental philosophical differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Christianity removes responsibility from the individual and Judaism places it there squarely.

Judaism says that true wealth and happiness comes from achieving and accomplishing, from reaping what you sow. If you sin, you have to make it up yourself by going through a ritual appology and changing your ways.

Christianity has none of that. It says just give your self up to something external and that's it. You're not responsible for your own sins, Christ is... so just give yourself up to him and that's it.

The Jewish philosophy in this matter is EMPOWERING. It says you are an individual, you can accomplish, you can be responsible for your own existence. Indeed this brings us closer to God because God is self-created and, by accomplishing great deeds we become self-created to an extent.

The Christian philosophy in this matter is WEAKENING. It removes a great deal of one's sense of ambition and drive, promoting the 'everyone's a winner' mentality that is destroying the world and basically saying 'just mooch off someone else's sacrifice'.

Yamah, but also, this viewpoint can be seen as Egoic.

What we are to understand is that we are part of a fallen situation. That, involving this, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. One can percieve that the fallen/sinful situation is about the organic (evolved, animal/mammal ), in time and space, in comparison to who we really are apart from time and space, and in the world.
This is what the ancient teachings tell us, and confirmed today by modern physics.

Of course sincerity and a change in behavior is necessary, upon reprentance,
but we ought to understand that, as it says in the Torah, as in Leviticus, that apart from the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.
An individual cannot atone for their own sins.

Even if they change their behavior, the sacrifice is necessary, and in a very certain manner through the priest, in the afore times.

The atoning rituals which we see from the beginning were ordained by God as a means to reconcile a fallen mankind, (in time and space), to Himself. And, being human, we are all in the same boat, here. No exceptions.

We all find ourselves in this organic and material world, in time and space. The carnal temptations, and organic aspects of
the animal mammal, more than evident in humanity.

Which situation of substitutional atonement is evident in scripture even before the Law was given through Moses. As in the situation with Cain and Able? What was Able jealous over?
(Also, see Leviticus chapters 16 and 17, regarding the, "Scapegoat" ).
The ancient sacrificial rituals and practices were pointing to a time when the Messiah would appear, and being the "Capstone", and "Corner Stone" both, would make the sacrifice to end all sacrifices, as the "Passover", and atoning, "Lamb of God".

It wasn't percieved by the disciples, or most others, that Yeshua's primary purpose and goal was this atonement.
As He Himself stated early on in His short ministry here on Earth, and accomplished for our sakes.

Why? Because it contradicts the main problem in humanity, involving the Ego. Which is related to the survival instinct.
For this reason, this primary instinct of the organic, many sins are committed and much violence is done on earth.

Meanwhile, in alignment with this understanding, the Eastern Yogi, Yogananda, stated,
"Death is only an experience in which you are to learn a great lesson. You cannot die."
We are more and other than what we appear as, in this material world.

Our origins, also, are apart from the evolutionary situation, in time and space. The greater reality and Truth being the Eternal, and the Spirit. Apart from time and space, as we know it, here.

Short discussion on the Ego, by people of authority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d0vtFja9GE&feature=related

What was it after all, as we are told in scripture, which made Lucifer rebel, and become the devil?
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