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Old 10-05-2019, 02:30 AM
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Heaven and hell are nothing more than a state of mind as long as we are confined to our bodies. I believe that any soul that desires enlightenment will have no other choice but to go through hell. Without it there can be no heaven.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:39 AM
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THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION on this topic. Heaven and Hell exist in different pockets in the Universe all where. Their perceptibility depends upon the density of the experiencer's physical existence.

We live on earth and our body density is about 1. We can see and feel ice and water but when it is boiled we cannot see its conversion into steam because of its low density, though it exist around us. On earth, Five star hotels that are the places of luxury and enjoyment, could be considered as Heaven on earth for us. Similarly the slums and underground places of evil and crime could be considered as semi hell on the earth. Jails that are places of confinement, pain, suffering and torture that could be considered as real Hell on earth . This is the hell for human beings. However the heaven and Hell, for the Ghostly beings are different.

When we die, our body density becomes very thin almost like super heated steam that remains invisible to our eyes. There we live in a world where everything is made of the essence of elements existing in their a molecular state ( say like vaporized iron). Indian Scriptures describe the space between earth and moon as Antariksh and Pritra Lokas harboring localities of Hell ( closer to the earth ) and Semi Heaven ( Closer to Moon ) respectively. Many Christians with ND experience report to have met with Christ who showed them this kind of hell of dead permeating earth. All those who are not evil minded and had lived as normal householder lives, live in Pitraloka.

The space between moon to Pole Star is the real heaven described in scriptures of all religions that are places of beauty and sense pleasure. These are all real though not visible by naked eyes.Dead Philanthropists, pious kings, persons with virtuous deeds, good film stars, sages and seers, live there. Like in hotels, one can live as long as he can pay bills, similarly In these Heavenly Hotels too one can live as long as his merits of good karma permit them to do so. When the wealth of good Karma gets exhausted one has to return and take birth on earth again.




I it seems the OP supports the case in point of the title.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:04 PM
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I believe all of spacetime exists simultaneously. Our perception of this spacetime is limited by our human brains, but every possible world you could imagine exists somewhere in the infinite vastness of the cosmos. This ranges from the most beautiful of heavens to the most horrible of hells. Everywhere, all the time, all around you, within and without you. Some experience the totality of this more than others.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:24 AM
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In the Garden of God, or Paradise, time was apparently not a factor. Became a factor after a, "fall".

The timeless involves eternity, and Paradise.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:26 AM
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I believe all of spacetime exists simultaneously. Our perception of this spacetime is limited by our human brains, but every possible world you could imagine exists somewhere in the infinite vastness of the cosmos. This ranges from the most beautiful of heavens to the most horrible of hells. Everywhere, all the time, all around you, within and without you. Some experience the totality of this more than others.

Point to make... We are more and other than this evolved animal/mammal, in "space/time".
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Old 29-09-2019, 11:49 PM
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Heaven is above hell is below.
When the Lord cast out his first angel The Morning Star AKA the devil or Satan or Lucifer as some call him he cast him to hell and he fell along with 1/8 of the other angels I believe I could be wrong he was cast down to Hell so he'll is in the Earth.
Have you ever thought about that's why the Earth is so messed up with people or the old saying the world has gone to hell in a handbasket?
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Old 30-09-2019, 12:36 AM
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Heaven and hell, with their assorted mythologies, have been used for millennia to control the masses. Billions of years on earth and no proof. Notice, all the burning bushes and epic floods happened before the age of flash photography, and nothing since? Lol. They are teaching stores, telling people not to be bad, to strive to be better, to get along. And then you die. I am not a fatalist or a nihilist. I find the concept of life and a clear end comforting. There is no purpose to us any more than there is a purpose to goldfish. We evolved, we are here, we will become extinct someday. The rest is construct and ego.
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Old 02-10-2019, 02:21 AM
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The GREATEST joke the devil played on people is to make them think he don't exist.

That's is the great thing about free will. Either you boo believe what you don't.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:14 AM
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Heaven and hell are scriptures reward and punishment system to say that if you follow scriptures moral orders life will become heavenly and if you break its order it will become hellish . It is more functional or descriptive state of mind rather than actual physical location .
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:23 AM
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THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION on this topic.

Dead Philanthropists, pious kings, persons with virtuous deeds, good film stars, sages and seers, live there. Like in hotels, one can live as long as he can pay bills, similarly In these Heavenly Hotels too one can live as long as his merits of good karma permit them to do so. When the wealth of good Karma gets exhausted one has to return and take birth on earth again.


Yes, indeed - some people are terribly confused.
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The constantly promoted belief (induced by religions) that we are born to be good and obey (in order to enter heaven) is a tragic error in the concept of the universe's plan and an insult to mankind's intellect.

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