I have questions.

[lovetruth]

I am that, yes, it is pretty clear that Kriya varies quite a bit. Some very close people I know went to a Kriya class of a few hours and what they told me they learned was so foreign to what I have been using, it was not even close, yet was called Kriya. I do believe we all find what ultimately works for us if we continue the search within, because there is always help given when asked sincerely for wisdom and understanding on any subject.

It is interesting around the time I was considering taking one of Marshall Govindan's classes, J. C. Stevens book came up on my "radar" so I bought it. Sometimes I truly wonder just how much we are in control of our lives...lol

Still I spent many years doing a great deal of research on almost every spiritual teaching even though I do not fully agree with all of it, there are always "divine nuggets" that stuck with me. The "Nag Hammadi" as I studied deeply, revealed a great deal of hidden truth, as did all spiritual teachings when I took them to a deeper level. Yet, I had to go back and reread the Vedas, Nag Hammadi, Aurobindo and Thirumandiram volumes many many times before I felt I finally understood the deeper meanings. Life for me seems to be in levels and levels of learning and although I have forgotten much of it I know it is always within and available when needed.

When it comes down to it, at least in my understanding, love is the ultimate knowing in full realization that all is eternal oneness. It took years and years of searching deeply before it all came together in a way that feels healing and pure. Not that I am done.lol... yet in the last several months it all feels like it is coming together like the puzzle pieces are falling into place creating something tangible that is pulling together dreams and visions I had years ago that are now making sense to me. I was once told in a dream that I had years ago, as I was walking off the ramp of a huge mothership, " You will not remember any of this until the time is right." It now seems the time is right, because I am remembering through much synchronicity and lots of strangeness,( in a good way ) happening pretty much daily.

Truly it is all perfect and beautiful that each has their own unique path seeing in their own unique way. How boring this world would be if we all saw in the same way, what is unlimited in its vast array. I really appreciate this thread and the beautiful knowledge shared by all of you.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by lovetruth

I do believe we all find what ultimately works for us if we continue the search within, because there is always help given when asked sincerely for wisdom and understanding on any subject. ... Truly it is all perfect and beautiful that each has their own unique path seeing in their own unique way.

I completely agree. And I suspect that we have no idea how much we are helped and guided by unseen beings, even if they may sometimes shake their heads at our human foolishness as we navigate our way through the maze of physical existence. But no doubt they have been where we are now.

And I suspect that after this physical body dies we may see our life from a greater perspective and appreciate that everything unfolded perfectly and beautifully as we trod our various paths. And maybe there were never any mistakes. It was all just learning.

Peace

[lovetruth]

Beautifully stated iamthat What you have said resonates on every level.
Many blessings...

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by lovetruth

It is interesting around the time I was considering taking one of Marshall Govindan's classes, J. C. Stevens book came up on my "radar" so I bought it. Sometimes I truly wonder just how much we are in control of our lives...lol

Although J.C. Stevens book Kriya Secrets Revealed does not mention Marshall Govindan, Appendix 2 at the end (Babaji's Kriya Yoga) gives a detailed breakdown of everything taught by Marshall Govindan.

Govindan taught 144 Kriyas but learning all 144 at that time involved going to his ashram in Canada. It may be different now.
The first 18 kriyas were asanas which were also available for anyone in a booklet he wrote.
The next 7 kriyas were what we learned at his Kriya initiation course including the Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, the intention being to do a different kriya each day of the week.
The 26th kriya consisted of various mantras, one of which he gave me.
I never went to his ashram to learn the remaining kriyas, although I see that his final kriya is Nada Yoga, but that is only for 20 minutes. I would recommend doing it for much longer.

So many possible practices, so little time. Hence I mostly focus on one main practice.

Peace

[lovetruth]

iamthat I agree there are so many practices and for years I used many of them but now I pretty much stick with one practice. It does mention Marshall Govindan at the beginning "Babaji's Kriya Yoga" in in the fourth edition which is the one I bought first then yikes... misplaced, (I have a lot of books). I then bought the fifth edition which does not mention Marshall Govindan. Of course I found the fourth edition later, after my second purchase. Happy first day of Spring and many blessings

[iamthat]

Thanks lovetruth. A fellow bibliophile. I too have many books (maybe 5,000), and although I do a lot of reading I suspect that my physical body will probably die with half of them unread.
Never mind, it is nice to be surrounded by them.

And of course, in these parts it is not Spring but Autumn. But the days are still warm and sunny and life is good.

Peace

[lovetruth]

iamthat I sometimes forget that this forum touches every part of the world, which is beautiful. So, happy Autumn to you. Many blessings

[Werewolflady]

If our purpose on this Earth is to 'wake up' then doesn't that mean we are defeating the object of being here?

No how would this be? That doesn't make sense because we're here to wake

If a mass awakening is happening, and more and more people are seeing beyond the veil, doesn't that render the human experience pointless?


No.

If we have a contract with our soul to have an Earthly experience, shouldn't we be doing just that instead of have an unearthly one?

Why would you assume it's a contract? It doesn't work like that

If we all 'wake up' and discover the true meaning of our existence, does that mean the end of the world? What would be the point of being human if we knew what it was all about?

There isn't one, end of the world.

Why do ascended masters try and get us to see beyond the veil, when they know the veil is there for our own good and a vital part of being human?

The veil itself is a part of nature and lifts at certain times of the year. Some people are sensitive to it, others are not.

If 'waking up' is freedom from suffering, isn't that a bad thing? Isn't human suffering part of what we are here to experience?

No, being human isn't about suffering at all.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by hopeful harry

It seemed all I had to do was be present, be kind and look for the joy in all things. It seemed simple last night anyway, not so much this morning. I have decided to step away from YouTube videos and Facebook shorts etc about 'spirituality' ...

I think this is actually true though I'd guess most would not think so. Most like watching others, listening to teachers and teachings, reading books and so on. I think there does come a point where listening to others ideas, and thoughts, and opinions, and beliefs, and teachings is not only pointless, it is actually harmful or takes one in the wrong direction. It takes one into thinking! Into mind. Not into simple being, not into "presence." Just being present, not present as an ego or a thought obsessing awareness.

Even if there was some great enlightened master, higher than everyone, giving some talk, what good would come from listening to them? Who is the listener who wants enlightenment? It's ego! It's the false self. There is only the now moment. Without an idea something is lacking or missing or not present, there is no truth to these ideas. Lacking, missing, not present are all assertions by thought in the now that create this reality to the self. It's delusion, or illusion, or whatever one calls it. Thought added to now. Thought "reality" added to now and added to "me." There is truly nothing to do or find or get or discover. Now is perfect as it is. We are perfect as we are. One just has to be aware of it. The now as it is, without thought creating non-sense about it. Without thought making it "personal."

I think what you said there is true: "all I had to do was be present, be kind and look for the joy in all things." That is the highest. To just be without "person" or ego. Just be love.