Problem with a succubus who regularly steals my energy

[Astral Explorer]

Originally Posted by Arulin

Excuse me but I have seen these demons before. CNC has a point but misses the part that most demons will do is "Stick around". Just because they are not felt anymore does not mean they are not around. I would strongly suggest a full house purification. Therre are other perventive measures I can suggest but won't on here for the fact of the last time I shared my thoughts I had the admins and the un-seelies under the bridge on me. PM me for any extra information.

These succubus' are plain and simple "evil". They will vore your soul and take your place in that body. Seen it happen with one of my sister kirin. She was ran out by a succubus calling herself "Pandora". So yea, I am anything but happy to hear this kind of trash going on and suggest you not only commit to changing your ways but also ensuring this demon of lust is put out on her kister, as a deep south country wiccan I say use the spiritual shotgun, and ensuring she knows she is not welcome.

The only reason why I am breaking my oath of lurking is hopefully save a soul from becoming another incubus. There are somethings on the astral that can and will hurt you. Now back to my lurking.

I agree with you that just because you don't feel, sense, or know something is around doesn't mean it isn't around. Beings who have fully committed themselves to darkness, ego, and moving away from what is universally viewed as evolution are very good at hiding in the shadows, no pun intended. They thrive on people not believing in them, not believing in other dimensions in which they exist and operate, not knowing what feeds them, and so forth. But I do not agree personally with your advice on a full house purification, mostly because I don't believe there is much we can do in this dimension that will have a tangible and lasting effect on a being that exists and operates in a completely different dimension. Regardless of the fact that the dimensions in which they operate are what are typically called parallel dimensions that overlap our dimension. Succubi can come in varying levels of darkness and power though, but the term succubus denotes itself that the being whom is going by that title has dedicated themselves to stealing someone else's energy typically sexual energies and basically existing at the expense of others. Just like any other type of world succubi in their dimensions have a hierarchy and levels of power, some of them being much more advanced in the dark arts and some of them being beginners usually with a dark master guiding them. But the truth of the matter about all possession cases whether it be by what we call a "demon" or a succubus the truth is that on some level the person whom is being possessed invited that being into their life, into their body, or something along those lines. It's not the most pleasing notion to admit that but unfortunately it is true. A succubus cannot just randomly jump into your body unless on some level you're allowing them to so. A large portion of "demonic" possession cases all stem back to a time where that person practiced magic, channeling, satanic worship, stuff around those lines. But there has never been one legit documented case of someone becoming possessed through lucid dreaming or astral projection alone, at least not to my knowledge and not unless that person allowed it on some level.

The problem with the term "demon" is that what Christians call a demon other civilizations and religions called a God, an angel, etc. A demon to one group of people was called a God by another. We as Human-beings truly have no clue exactly what a demon is, the only thing we do know is that they are "evil." But what we view as evil is purely based on our own perception unfortunately. True "demons" beings that are actually called demons in the dimensions which they exist are quite rare. In thousands of astral projections I have only ran into a being calling another being a demon a few times, only in a couple of those experiences was there actually a being that was being called a "demon" in my perception. To me it appeared and felt just like any other specialized dark-being though and was clear to me what we as Human-beings in our dimension call a "demon" and what is actually viewed and called a "demon" in the dimensions in which they exist are not one in the same thing. Fighting a "demon" or a succubus in their dimension is quite pointless as it just lowers your energy down to their level, in the act of fighting you expend energy and that energy is on the table for them. Not to mention as I said before they are specialized dark-beings, they have been practicing their astral magic and abilities longer than we can even know. And so for us to try and battle them in their own dimension is like a child who just started learning magic trying to battle a master wizard, if anything it's only going to make us play into their game and hands that much easier. I have been warned a couple times in astral travels in other dimensions not to play that game with them and I completely understand why. And since doing things in our dimension has little if any effect on beings in another dimension and fighting them in their own dimension is a pointless and dangerous gamble I firmly believe the only way to overcome the presence of a specialized dark-being is to deal with your fears (since they feed off of them), stop doing things that offer your energy up to them, and to try and be positive. When a person uses something like a "spiritual shotgun" they are basically dedicating themselves completely to trying to destroy something that they know very little about, that they know nothing about what actually hurts or destroys them, and so forth. And by committing yourself that much to harming another being you are basically becoming just as bad as them. You have to live and let live and if you don't do things that aggravate the situation, attract them, and keep them around longer than necessary then you are doing everything you realistically can.

[Eudaimonia]

I've had probably 10 or so experiences with succubi myself, and they prey on our consciousness in the dream state because it is very watered down and suggestible, although I do not know we have such little consciousness in dreams in the first place. It's interesting that you were able to clearly describe the being, it was either not very discreet or you are particularly perceptive in this case. About a year ago I had a dream of a succubus, appearing as my girlfriend at the timewho tried to sleep with me but could not contain her lust for energy, so when I tried to kiss her she just stole my breath and then I started to rapidly become lucid. It was then that I realized she was a very gaunt figure with a bemused smile on here face, yet covered in sores. I quickly panicked and got the hell out of there lol. I've had encounters with a group of spirits who the three girls in the group would try to give me oral sex as soon as I got there, and wouldn't let me leave in te dream state. These among others have given me the sense of when a dream is going bad most of the time, and end it immediately. Unfortunately these vampires are great actors and it is hard to really make decisions in dreams where you are only partially conscious, and mor conscious sometimes then not. I recommend getting some crystals and sageing your room where you sleep. It also helps to clean it if you haven't already and open and window to let the fresh air in. You seem to be able to get lucid and astral project often so your consciousness should be more aware during te dream states then normal.

It's interesting the point you bring up about giving your energy to porn stars when you watch them. I definitely don't agree that porn stars are "low lifes" however. You should never really judge someone as being lesser than you as that allows other entities to view YOU as lesser to them and that allows them to feed on you more easily according to your own beliefs. But that is another story entirely as that is one of the greatest reasons for evil in the world, thinking of oneself as "more" than someone else. However, I do agree that masterbating to a porn star or showing any other type of worship/energy giving does offer energy to people or the ideas of what people stand for in the world. Unfortunately this is what I believe some music artists especially rappers do with weird hand signals at concerts and claiming they are gods or super powerful in some ways. I believe some of them know a lot about spirituality and rituals than we would think. But is going to a concert or watching porn really that bad though? I don't think it's that big of a deal because we are constantly taking in and expelling energy on a daily basis. This even happens among friends as they judge each other and think they are better than the other.

There is a lot to be said about sexual energy and I believe if you can master it it will really give you a fount of energy to use in your life, but I don't think you have to quite be celibate to master it. It really helps to have a partner you truly love to manage it though. I've never met anyone who could use their sexual energy consciously as an ankh, would be cool to find out more if someone has.

I disagree with astral explorer on the topic of whether we can do anything in this dimension or not. I agree that we should not try to fight them spiritually but I think there is a hell of a lot we can do on this dimension to help us and push them away. There are many many plants and crystals that could help with most situations. Also the simple idea of changing ones lifestyle in exercising more, eating healthy and keeping psychologically grounded can go a very long way. It certainly helped me. i do also think that people who are very knowledgable and experienced can fight back against these entities, although i'm not sure that's something any of us can really claim to be able to do. I met someone once who I believe had some power to do this through knowledge. But for most people that is not our calling, not in our ability in the slightest. And in that I agree.

I also disagree that you are essentially inviting the entity into your body in cases of possession. While I do thin that the vast majority of possession is through abuse of drugs and the addiction of them, the easiest way to influence a body is through trauma. Dissociative identity disorder sufferers often say they at the time of abuse they 'left' their body. And now they have to deal with a strong attachment from another entity, or as more often the case, entities. These entities are never 'demons' as we view them red smelly things with tails however are spirits who roam the earth for their own reasons or another and either have their hangups here or their own addictions to substances. They also could be spirits from other dimensions who want to mess with this world anyway they can, or even to experience life by hijacking so ones body instead of choosing to incarnate the right way. They can even be thought forms or ideas in the form of energy manifested in the astral. When possession or attachments or things like this happen I have been told that they usually happen for a reason IF not willed by the participant, a reason that higher entities know and we do not.

Another interesting theme as brought up by CNC is that these beings do what they have to to survive. I once had a being around me that I could sense was trying to get me to be paranoid, and I actually felt the idea of "Please be scared for just a moment" And I gave into it for a moment and i felt the fear leave my body. So interesting. However, the vast majority have just tried to steal it from me one way or another, in malicious ways. I agree that they do seem to teach us based on experience alone, although in a painful way.

[Astral Explorer]

Originally Posted by Eudaimonia

I've had probably 10 or so experiences with succubi myself, and they prey on our consciousness in the dream state because it is very watered down and suggestible, although I do not know we have such little consciousness in dreams in the first place. It's interesting that you were able to clearly describe the being, it was either not very discreet or you are particularly perceptive in this case. About a year ago I had a dream of a succubus, appearing as my girlfriend at the timewho tried to sleep with me but could not contain her lust for energy, so when I tried to kiss her she just stole my breath and then I started to rapidly become lucid. It was then that I realized she was a very gaunt figure with a bemused smile on here face, yet covered in sores. I quickly panicked and got the hell out of there lol. I've had encounters with a group of spirits who the three girls in the group would try to give me oral sex as soon as I got there, and wouldn't let me leave in te dream state. These among others have given me the sense of when a dream is going bad most of the time, and end it immediately. Unfortunately these vampires are great actors and it is hard to really make decisions in dreams where you are only partially conscious, and mor conscious sometimes then not. I recommend getting some crystals and sageing your room where you sleep. It also helps to clean it if you haven't already and open and window to let the fresh air in. You seem to be able to get lucid and astral project often so your consciousness should be more aware during te dream states then normal.

It's interesting the point you bring up about giving your energy to porn stars when you watch them. I definitely don't agree that porn stars are "low lifes" however. You should never really judge someone as being lesser than you as that allows other entities to view YOU as lesser to them and that allows them to feed on you more easily according to your own beliefs. But that is another story entirely as that is one of the greatest reasons for evil in the world, thinking of oneself as "more" than someone else. However, I do agree that masterbating to a porn star or showing any other type of worship/energy giving does offer energy to people or the ideas of what people stand for in the world. Unfortunately this is what I believe some music artists especially rappers do with weird hand signals at concerts and claiming they are gods or super powerful in some ways. I believe some of them know a lot about spirituality and rituals than we would think. But is going to a concert or watching porn really that bad though? I don't think it's that big of a deal because we are constantly taking in and expelling energy on a daily basis. This even happens among friends as they judge each other and think they are better than the other.

There is a lot to be said about sexual energy and I believe if you can master it it will really give you a fount of energy to use in your life, but I don't think you have to quite be celibate to master it. It really helps to have a partner you truly love to manage it though. I've never met anyone who could use their sexual energy consciously as an ankh, would be cool to find out more if someone has.

I disagree with astral explorer on the topic of whether we can do anything in this dimension or not. I agree that we should not try to fight them spiritually but I think there is a hell of a lot we can do on this dimension to help us and push them away. There are many many plants and crystals that could help with most situations. Also the simple idea of changing ones lifestyle in exercising more, eating healthy and keeping psychologically grounded can go a very long way. It certainly helped me. i do also think that people who are very knowledgable and experienced can fight back against these entities, although i'm not sure that's something any of us can really claim to be able to do. I met someone once who I believe had some power to do this through knowledge. But for most people that is not our calling, not in our ability in the slightest. And in that I agree.

I also disagree that you are essentially inviting the entity into your body in cases of possession. While I do thin that the vast majority of possession is through abuse of drugs and the addiction of them, the easiest way to influence a body is through trauma. Dissociative identity disorder sufferers often say they at the time of abuse they 'left' their body. And now they have to deal with a strong attachment from another entity, or as more often the case, entities. These entities are never 'demons' as we view them red smelly things with tails however are spirits who roam the earth for their own reasons or another and either have their hangups here or their own addictions to substances. They also could be spirits from other dimensions who want to mess with this world anyway they can, or even to experience life by hijacking so ones body instead of choosing to incarnate the right way. They can even be thought forms or ideas in the form of energy manifested in the astral. When possession or attachments or things like this happen I have been told that they usually happen for a reason IF not willed by the participant, a reason that higher entities know and we do not.

Another interesting theme as brought up by CNC is that these beings do what they have to to survive. I once had a being around me that I could sense was trying to get me to be paranoid, and I actually felt the idea of "Please be scared for just a moment" And I gave into it for a moment and i felt the fear leave my body. So interesting. However, the vast majority have just tried to steal it from me one way or another, in malicious ways. I agree that they do seem to teach us based on experience alone, although in a painful way.

In my experience smudging, cleansing, crystals, and all of the other conventional notions of getting rid of spiritual activity just doesn't hold weight through trial and error. Simply because unless you have crystals or sage in the dimension that these beings exist then you are basically smudging and/or using crystals in the wrong dimension. People have experiences with these beings in their dreams and projections for a reason, because that is when they are in a dimension that these beings exist. It would be one thing if these beings were coming to us in our dimension and inhabiting our dimension even for a brief period of time, then I think those could be more plausible. But it's quite rare for a being from another dimension to manifest themselves in our dimension let alone actually come here. I believe most UFO viewings, ghosts and apparitions, and so forth are merely manifestations from beings in another dimension and not that they are actually in our dimension. You mentioned you didn't agree that all cases of possession were through invitation in one form or another but then you mention attachments. I don't think an invitation of any form is needed for attachments but I also don't believe they are attached to our physical body directly and instead attach to a body that exists in their dimension, most likely the etheric body. But attachments and possession aren't necessarily the same thing in my opinion either and so I think things got all mixed up there. As far as actual cases of a spirit shifting from their dimension to ours and inhabiting a physical body similar to how I shift into other dimensions and inhabit another body through Triporting I believe that unless that person on some level wants it, asked for it, or is OK with it even on a small subconscious level then it would not be possible. Attachments on the other hand can and do happen without a person even knowing it is happening or knowing it is possible in many cases, and so there's no way they were inviting it. What you said about musicians I completely agree, in a lot of cases I think they don't hold much spiritual knowledge and are coerced into creating certain symbols and so forth in their videos. They are made promises if they include a few words into their music, a few pictures into their videos, a few symbols in their performances and since they are obviously interested in financial benefits and materialistic things they are more than obliged to do so. A lot of people would willingly join the darkest of darkness just to have a lot of money unfortunately, mostly it seems because they just don't understand the dynamics of what is actually going on in the unseen dimensions. But it's definitely not limited to rap at this point... Take for example the hand-sign of rock (usually like Death Metal and Heavy Metal) the pitchforked hand-sign, most people say oh yea that's to symbol the devil and so forth. But actually in my studies I have found there are shadow-beings that exist in other dimensions and sometimes manifest in our dimension and they actually have pitchfork hands. There have been a few of them caught on film and in pictures and their hands are the exact same as the symbol that those people so blindly throw up without thinking about what it really means... It's really sad in my opinion how the public has been desensitized and conditioned to viewing and participating in occultic, satanic, and dark symbolism and most don't even know it.

Wow! The showing of "Horns Up" by Music Fans is Satanic? What do you really know about Death Metal? I'm getting the impression that you probably know Nothing of Value about Death Metal at all. It's Mainly a Cautionary Tale of Bad Things Happening to Fools that Mess with Things They Shouldn't be Messing With. Often times Death Metal identifies the Evils we all face and the injustices of Religion, Politics & Government. You can't Kill the Messenger because They're Already Dead & Death Metal gives a voice to the Victims of Past Injustice.

Death is a Pre-Requisite for Life's Function of Re-Birth & Growth. The Grim Reaper has a Necessary Job. That doesn't make him Evil per se... That's a product of Human Fear that Death Metal addresses.

In fact, it is the hyper-religious zealot that propagates Fear of Death and commits atrocities of persecution against any they Fear - Often using "The Devil" as justification for their own manifestations of Evil & Fear.

I've spent over 30 years in the Death Metal World... Traveling with my Metal Brothers Spreading the Word about Religious Falsehoods and the Prevalence of Fear as a Means of Control. I worked my Magic behind the scenes in plain sight of the Masses Begging for Enlightenment & Satisfaction. There were a few that were able to turn around and see me controlling the Magic.

The Main Point here is that it is the Religions Themselves that Create the Entire Image of Evil so that they have an Enemy to Justify their own Violence against anything that is different from themselves.

The Entertainment Business Is Twisted & Evil... A Servant of Mammon & the Exploiter of Human Weaknesses... Death Metal is one of the few genre's that tries to speak some Truth to the Hypocrisy of Power. Rap has mostly been hi-jacked by profiteers promoting instant gratification by exploiting the human animals instincts of the Herd Mentality.

Frankly, Pop-music is probably the absolute worst influence on youth. The likes of the -gag- Brittany's, Milley's, Beiber's and all the other "Invented Stars" are the True Blight of our Society... Persons with a small amount of talent performing/faking other persons songs with Zero positive qualities has only sensation & gossip to fuel it's consumption by the ignorant masses.

The Entertainment Business has always been associated with Selling Out... Whether it's your Soul, Health, Family, Friends or Beliefs... You will probably Lose Them All to be Successful.

[Astral Explorer]

Originally Posted by Napoleon

Wow! The showing of "Horns Up" by Music Fans is Satanic? What do you really know about Death Metal? I'm getting the impression that you probably know Nothing of Value about Death Metal at all. It's Mainly a Cautionary Tale of Bad Things Happening to Fools that Mess with Things They Shouldn't be Messing With. Often times Death Metal identifies the Evils we all face and the injustices of Religion, Politics & Government. You can't Kill the Messenger because They're Already Dead & Death Metal gives a voice to the Victims of Past Injustice.

Death is a Pre-Requisite for Life's Function of Re-Birth & Growth. The Grim Reaper has a Necessary Job. That doesn't make him Evil per se... That's a product of Human Fear that Death Metal addresses.

In fact, it is the hyper-religious zealot that propagates Fear of Death and commits atrocities of persecution against any they Fear - Often using "The Devil" as justification for their own manifestations of Evil & Fear.

I've spent over 30 years in the Death Metal World... Traveling with my Metal Brothers Spreading the Word about Religious Falsehoods and the Prevalence of Fear as a Means of Control. I worked my Magic behind the scenes in plain sight of the Masses Begging for Enlightenment & Satisfaction. There were a few that were able to turn around and see me controlling the Magic.

The Main Point here is that it is the Religions Themselves that Create the Entire Image of Evil so that they have an Enemy to Justify their own Violence against anything that is different from themselves.

The Entertainment Business Is Twisted & Evil... A Servant of Mammon & the Exploiter of Human Weaknesses... Death Metal is one of the few genre's that tries to speak some Truth to the Hypocrisy of Power. Rap has mostly been hi-jacked by profiteers promoting instant gratification by exploiting the human animals instincts of the Herd Mentality.

Frankly, Pop-music is probably the absolute worst influence on youth. The likes of the -gag- Brittany's, Milley's, Beiber's and all the other "Invented Stars" are the True Blight of our Society... Persons with a small amount of talent performing/faking other persons songs with Zero positive qualities has only sensation & gossip to fuel it's consumption by the ignorant masses.

The Entertainment Business has always been associated with Selling Out... Whether it's your Soul, Health, Family, Friends or Beliefs... You will probably Lose Them All to be Successful.

I have a friend who is into Death Metal hardcore and every single video he shares has dark, satanic, and occultic symbolism in it left and right. Whether or not the musicians themselves know what they are doing obviously I cannot say, as I stated before musicians in all fields of music are likely coerced into putting those types of lyrics, images, and symbolism in their music and music videos. I honestly don't know much about Death Metal other than what my one friend has shown me and everything I have seen has been dark, negative, hateful, satanic, and so forth. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it, I long ago made the decision not to listen to any conventional music because a large percentage of it in one way or another does the same thing. I said what I have found and that is that there are dark shadow-beings that have pitchforked hands, it's the exact same symbol that metal heads blindly throw up with their hands. Either it's one huge coincidence or it's not, and I don't believe in coincidences for the most part. You're getting defensive over my observations and opinions for no real reason. You're obviously partial to Death Metal and so it's pointless for us to debate what we feel about the music because you're going to support it no matter what I say and we're both entitled to our own observations and opinions. I wasn't singling out metal or any type of music, if you read what I wrote you will see I was saying that it isn't rap alone. I was using metal as an example about how it's spread across all genres of music in one form or another. What I see is Metal and its listeners embracing darkness, negative emotions, satanic symbolism, occultic symbolism, and so forth whether they know it or not. I can't speak on the exact lyrics of Death Metal because I don't listen to it, I can only speak of what I have seen in videos. If the lyrics are as you say then why does one need to show so much satanic and dark symbolism in their videos? Isn't that countering their lyrics? I'm sure a lot of it is just the shock effect and the next want-to-be famous musician who will do anything for money trying to take things to the next level, if that is the case things have seriously gotten to a horrible point. It's also possible that the music my friend listens to and you listen to are completely different, it's impossible for me to say that every metal or death metal band out there does and speaks about the same things, once again I can only speak about what I have seen. I never said it was metal alone though, my point was that it is spread out across all genres of music. I only mentioned metal specifically because of the shadow-being hand-sign that is commonly used and supposedly means one thing, but in reality from what I have seen and learned means something completely different. If you actually research the person who "created" that hand-sign and got people using it he is a known Free-Mason, not surprising.

[Eudaimonia]

The occult symbolism is there, I don't think it's that really a big deal if you throw horns up or not. But the idea behind it is that you are rebelling against something, although many people just do it because it's part of the scene and they want to feel included. Now being metal can channel darkness into art which is one of the best ways to channel it, but it doesn't always have to do that. And Death Metal as an ode to death in a Buddhist sense is very interesting. I think in that case it wouldnt be nearly as bad. The concerts I have been to (about 30, probably 10 metal bands) have been pretty benign except for way too loud music hurting my ear drums. But you have to take each band and message on a case by case message. One concert I went to with some pretty famous metal bands was awesome but you can see how people show their dark side when they are disinhibited, no matter how they are disinhibited. In the end though you just need to take it by a case-by-case basis. Are we giving energy to artists when we see them in concert? I believe we are. Especially artists who are on an ego trip and start getting obssessed with it, ussually attracting spirit attachments on their etheric body influencing them.

Astral Explorer, we agree on a lot of things, but don't you think that physical objects like crystals, plants, among others exist on the spiritual planes as well in sometimes stronger forms? Everything I have experienced has led me to believe that crystals, plants, and even deceased animals have a great influence on the spiritual world, which in turn influences the physical. Smudging sage in a room isn't going to fix everything by no means, but the vibration of sage is strong and is felt by spiritual beings more so then the physical world, but not to mention the physical effects of smell it and the chemicals around the room have on ones own brain.

Hmm the forums were busy and my edit didn't go through. i'll post again a bit later.

I certainly understand your perspective. I share it. Things have gotten to a Horrible Point across All the Media Spectrum. Death Metal doesn't try to hide itself behind the Hypocrisy is what I'm saying. It's at least honest with itself in that it reflects the darkness in our society for all to see and learn from.

Probably most anyone hanging out in this Forum would've been Burnt at the Stake not Too Long Ago. So I believe that Heavy Metal in particular has helped to at least have a conversation about Darkness, Symbolism & our Relationship with All Things Mysterious.

As much as Dante's Inferno has added symbols and characters to Evil & Darkness, So has Modern Culture developed a Lexicon of the Occult to deal with the Darkness as Well as the Light.

There's as much garbage in the Metal Genre's as there is in any other Art Form and I certainly don't endorse Darkness as a Life-style Choice. What matters is that we are all free to have our own choices & opinions and hopefully we can find ways to dissipate some of the Negative Energies that swirl around us in this life.

Some might compare a Death Metal Concert to the Stoning of the Devil in Mecca... or Chasing off Demons with Firecrackers & Chaos... It Represents Facing Fear & Death as a Mass of Humanity Proclaiming It's Right to Exist.

Heh, this topic took a strange twist, lol

I played in a few Death Metal bands back in the 90's, nothing crazy but we got to open for Cannibal Corpse once which was pretty cool. I could never understand any of the lyrics to any of that stuff, my main fascination with it was the drumming, and I happened to be really good at fast drumming so it was a perfect fit since most Death metal is really a big drum show. As I got older and matured a bit it was quite funny to see my band, all dark and metal looking and me back on the drums wearing a Hawaiian shirt and trucker hat pounding out the double bass blast beats. They hated my lack of "the look" but fast death metal drummers are not easy to find so they had to deal with it..ahh, those were fun times :)

I do not know of any links to the devil horns and actual astral beings/etc...but doesn't mean it's not true. I guess the main question for that would be "who came first...the chicken or the egg?" Did they influence us to do it? Or...has are association with what it means started to transfer over to the astral? Hmmm...not sure but I will say the percentage of people you see actually do that over the age of 25 or so is pretty small, lol