Spiritual Forums

Home


Donate!


Articles


CHAT!


Shop


 
Welcome to Spiritual Forums!.

We created this community for people from all backgrounds to discuss Spiritual, Paranormal, Metaphysical, Philosophical, Supernatural, and Esoteric subjects. From Astral Projection to Zen, all topics are welcome. We hope you enjoy your visits.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to most discussions and articles. By joining our free community you will be able to post messages, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos, and gain access to our Chat Rooms, Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please, join our community today! !

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, check our FAQs before contacting support. Please read our forum rules, since they are enforced by our volunteer staff. This will help you avoid any infractions and issues.

Go Back   Spiritual Forums > Religions & Faiths > Buddhism

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 28-11-2023, 10:50 AM
Glenda Glenda is offline
Knower
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 131
 
So good to read about all the historical event and about the interesting conversation going on.

Thanks for sharing!!
__________________
vacations in new york city[/url] was a soulful journey for me.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 28-11-2023, 11:52 AM
Joe Mc Joe Mc is offline
Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,709
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenda
So good to read about all the historical event and about the interesting conversation going on.

Thanks for sharing!!

Good to see you Glenda hope you are keeping well.

__________________________________________________ ________
__________________
Too much intellectual pride and not enough intellectual beauty

To Thine own Self be True

The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 30-11-2023, 07:04 AM
Gem Gem is online now
Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 22,025
  Gem's Avatar
BTW, I took my user name from 'Triple Gem' - the Three Jewels of refuge.

Everyone says a lot of things, but you are your only refuge.

1) If you take refuge in the sangha, they leave, become corrupt, eventually die and what then?

2) If you take refuge in Buddha that person, you only have an image and words that someone else wrote down.

3) If you take refuge in the dhamma, those teachings in the Pali Canon, you only have books and memories.

All these things cease to exist each time you cease to think of them and live only in memory.

Buddha was saying the only refuge is yourself. 'Buddha' is your own nature. He described dhamma specifically as the natural law as it pertains to body/mind (mind and matter).

He didn't say 'take refuge in me' and he didn't write things down, so all things religious Buddhists say is only tempting you to 'take refuge' in their organisation - not what Buddha actually advised.

Buddha never said take refuge in his organisation. He just taught people about the cause of suffering and the way to end it. No one can do that for you. Only you can do that, so why 'take refuge' in anything external.

It doesn't mean you have to be Buddhist to take refuge, and it doesn't mean if you take refuge you become Buddhist. Buddha taught universal things - not sectarian things - and taking refuge in yourself is for everyone.

The Buddhists are going to argue with me because they read the religious view that everyone keeps saying. But if you think it through you'll see how it makes no sense.

I'm not saying a different thing to what Buddha said. Just paraphrasing. The religion ignores what he said (when it's inconvenient) and made up an interpretation which doesn't hold water. They seem to want people to not find refuge in themselves and in nature's law, and instead, 'take refuge' in their religious symbols, their own authorities, and their texts.

In Buddhist practice we don't believe anything. We have to hear what is said and discern its merit. After watching the video you'll see what Buddha said, and again you are alone to discern 'what makes sense', and ultimately, you have no authority to turn to when you discern for yourself.

Listen to the talk Buddha gave to the sangha when his best and leading monks died. He was saying you can't take refuge in the monk-sangha, because they die, or in himself, because he's gonna die soon, too. That's the opposite of what religious Buddhists say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODsAMW83x04
__________________
Radiate boundless love towards the entire world ~ Buddha
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 30-11-2023, 07:47 PM
Joe Mc Joe Mc is offline
Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,709
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gem
BTW, I took my user name from 'Triple Gem' - the Three Jewels of refuge. Everyone says a lot of things, but you are your only refuge.
1) If you take refuge in the sangha, they leave, become corrupt, eventually die and what then?2) If you take refuge in Buddha that person, you only have an image and words that someone else wrote down. 3) If you take refuge in the dhamma, those teachings in the Pali Canon, you only have books and memories.

Great post Gem, thanks for sharing. You're a Diamond Geezer as they say in the East End of London ! I remember you saying that about your user name.
As I say a great post and needs to be re read and thought about, the video is great too. Very real message from yourself thanks once again. Kind Regards Joe.

__________________________________________________ ___
__________________
Too much intellectual pride and not enough intellectual beauty

To Thine own Self be True

The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-01-2024, 07:47 PM
Vajradhara Vajradhara is offline
Seeker
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 46
 
No hate/anger at others

"I undertake the training to refrain from destroying living beings."

I to believe that one should not harm people. To get angry at people. To not hate others. To not interfere with people's minds. To love people no matter what and have understanding. To blame yourself if people are angry at you. If you hate someone or get angry that hurts the person. Better to be free of that. No getting back at people. Going over the top and all that. No an eye for an eye. To not harm another's mind with your mind. Bad mistake.

Thank you for your post Joe Mc.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 13-01-2024, 11:08 AM
Joe Mc Joe Mc is offline
Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,709
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vajradhara
"I undertake the training to refrain from destroying living beings." I to believe that one should not harm people. To get angry at people. To not hate others. To not interfere with people's minds. To love people no matter what and have understanding. To blame yourself if people are angry at you. If you hate someone or get angry that hurts the person. Better to be free of that. No getting back at people. Going over the top and all that. No an eye for an eye. To not harm another's mind with your mind. Bad mistake.
Thank you for your post Joe Mc.

I couldn't agree more with you and thank you for the always, "Always" welcome reminder. I continue to strive for more love and compassion in my life. The Dalai Lama said something like,

" My true religion, my simple faith is in love and compassion. There is no need for complicated philosophy, doctrine, or dogma."

That is a succinct and powerful thought and it seems that the path of awakening begins and ends in love and compassion. Other precepts and parts of the path are integral and important of course, though we often begin the 'Spiritual Searh' as a conscious response to suffering and a recognition that we or/and the World need more love. Thank you

__________________________________________________ __________
__________________
Too much intellectual pride and not enough intellectual beauty

To Thine own Self be True

The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) Spiritual Forums