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good answers guys... but i still don't understand.. if god is really a being., then it should have a beginning. .

[Thinker108]

No one can say with finality that God is only 'this' and nothing else. He is formless, and again He has forms. For the bhakta He assumes forms. But He is formless for the jnani, that is, for him who looks on the world as a mere dream. The bhakta feels that he is one entity and the world another. Therefore God, reveals Himself to him as a Person. But the jnani — the Vedantist, for instance — always reasons, applying the process of 'Not this, not this'. Through this discrimination he realizes, by his inner perception, that the ego and the universe are both illusory, like a dream. Then the jnani realizes Brahman in his own consciousness. He cannot describe what Brahman
paramhans dev

thanks for the reply thinker108... but how does that answer my question?

Originally Posted by jamesart7

... i still don't understand.. if god is really a being., then it should have a beginning. .

Good for you for continuing to ask about this. This is a very good logical question to ask.
TRUST your gut instinct about this.

You seem to be already or very close to wondering about the nature of what we call God. While some see God as a deity, a separate being, others have a different view.

Oneness sees us as integral full partners w/ the Universe, all interconnected energies rather than as spiritual inferiors relying on a paternal deity that micromanages us, rewarding good ones & punishing bad ones, responsible for our spiritual growth & salvation. In Oneness we find that we are responsible for our spiritual growth, quite capable of managing it, & not needing intermediaries (earthly or heavenly) to make our spiritual connection for us. This doesn’t mean that we are left stranded w/o help to figure it out on our own at all. We have a substantial spiritual team (guardian angels in some religions) of guides that are there to assist us & be wayshowers every step of the way.

We are eternal souls on an eternal expansive journey. It also follows that the Universe is eternal, & continually expanding & recreating itself. Current astrology is beginning to find info. to support this, as exploring the furtherest reaches of the Universe (that they can see thusfar) shows a continual vista of galaxies beginning ending. NONSTOP CREATION in action. A recent deep space picture of supposedly empty space showed galaxies in all stages as far as could be seen. NASA publicly stated that the Universe was allot larger than they thought. LOL.

When one has the flexibility to shift from seeing God as a separate being, a ruling deity, to seeing God as the infinite energy of the interconnected Universe the necessity for God to have a beginning is removed. While this is a novel concept to some & even shockingly heretical to those who are very invested in a parental deity who is micromanaging their life & spiritual salvation, it makes sense in many ways. The one constant in the Universe is change, but we oddly still often assume the energy we call God is immune to this change that is a given w/ every other energy in the Universe. Implausible.

As we expand our consciousness we occupy ever increasing perspectives. Our individual perspective increases to see that we are interconnected w/ Oneness w/ the Universe & all things. We continue this expansive growth & by 7D we have unified our extended energy field (SELF) of which we are currently one aspect (self- exploring individuality). By 9D we are a planetary energy should we wish to manifest. 10D is a solar system, 11D is galactic, & 12D reunites w/ the Universe. We have the option at this point to completely deconstruct our energies to do the creation process all over again & again ∞ ∞ ∞ ∞ ... .

As we expand our perspective progressively increasing our consciousness it seems odd that this would end up w/ us having a separate unchanging deity ruling over us as we reach 12D since the rest of the journey is about unifying w/ other energies. It makes much more sense that the energies we’ve called God would be the merged joined energies of all those at that level. This doesn’t take away from the specialness or wisdom we’ve attributed to God though. Some would see this as actually more special & honored. It is a strength, not a drawback that the energy we’ve called God is a ever changing expanding one.

While the concept of an unchanging parental caretaker deity is comforting to some, it just doesn’t make a bit of sense to others who’ve moved on to other ideas about how the Universe is ordered, how we interact w/ it, & how our energetic/spiritual growth proceeds.
To each their own! We have the option to select our own beliefs about these issues.

One of the greatest strengths we can have in exploring spiritual/energetic ideas is to be flexible about our beliefs, KNOWing that as we are in different places in our journey that these will naturally change, just as they do w/ human development from childhood to teenagers to adults. Expect that this flexibility will be characterized by those who treasure rigid unchanging beliefs & fear change in their beliefs as being flakey New Agers & not having STRONG beliefs, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. This is their opinion & doesn’t have an impact on others’ beliefs in any way unless they allow it to.

Many are moving towards these new concepts about the nature of God. Looking at how we’ve viewed God & spirituality historically shows considerable change in how we see these things even though some see their current view of these issues as that of all of history. Pure fantasy. Only 500 years ago the concepts about God were markedly different than now. 2000 years ago God was a vengeful deity liberally punishing the unfaithful, favoring a single tribe over all the other people on the planet. Ideas about God change quite a bit over time & always have. They are definitely changing right now as we are having huge paradigm change in moving from the Piscean era to the Aquarian one.

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Originally Posted by Thinker108

No one can say with finality that God is only 'this' and nothing else.

Yes they can. For their self. Many have definite & unequivocal ideas about the nature of God or the energies this represents.
What they can’t say is that others MUST hold their view.

One can view the nature of God as enigmatic or not having the ability to be defined for their self, but can NOT insist that others share it. Others make whatever determinations that work for them about the nature of this energy.
All have the right to view this however they want.

It is a personal right of to say that one’s POV of God is not definite but not to say that others MUST share their equivocality.

Originally Posted by Thinker108

He is ...

(About God)

He?????

Originally Posted by Thinker108

... the ego and the universe are both illusory ...

Both are popular, but problematic beliefs that have never made any sense for me. An illusion is a false idea. Some discussions about spiritual subjects use the term illusion as shorthand for things such as variable options that we select. Our perception changes according to what we select. They often mean illusion to represent the ability for these energies to change. Sometimes these shorthand terms are useful, but sometimes they leave allot to be desired in a full & accurate understanding of what they are meaning. They could actually mean that our individuality & Universe is a false belief, but this would be a concept that I disagree w/.

For instance, fear may be called an illusion, meaning that it is a deliberate choice, but it is VERY real for those who have selected it. When they move out of fear they will realize they have other options they can select. At that time, not fearing will be their very real choice.

Our ego/personality/individuality is very real for us as we live it. Our state of mind & what we make of that individuality is up to us to script. While what we choose for self is variable w/ countless options this is vastly different from it being an illusion.

Ego Is OK, Even ➥➥➥Beloved↵↵↵- http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...829#post219829

The Universe may be subject to various physical laws that we are just beginning to appreciate, but it is very real as are the nonphysical dimensions.

so mattie... can you answer my question?? on how god became god?

james do you read what the people write?

Go back to my post and read careful.

Originally Posted by Inesophet

Only because we perceive time as a linear stream doesnt mean god does this aswell. Einsteins Thesis quite supports this fact. Time is relative.

Also LIFE has a beginning and a end, its what defines life. God made life, he is not alive. Kinda like a mechanic who builts a machine, he doesnt have to be a machine to make one right?

so,,, in a simple way of saying.. how did god became god??

I have also wondered this and tried to get my head around how can something exist without a beginning.. almost like a string, it doesn't exist until you get to the beginning of it simply because it ISN'T there.. once you reach it and can go to the end of it.. but then again it ceases to exist. There will be many who will tell you that they know the answers and try to explain it to you, but personally I just think it is something we will always wonder but yet never know. Unless someone was around at said "Beginning" how could they possibly know what occurred with any certainty? I just believe in the present moment.. anything in the future does not matter for soon it'll be another of your present moments & the past being past present moments. "The Power of Now" is a good book to read that explains this.