The Direct Approach.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Who or what is this "one" that has to deal with this or that? Each the other and the One Love in action dreaming difference where there is none.

Without 'differences', the surface' of 'ocean' of Being would be flat. So there'd be nothing to surf (or 'dance' with)!

BORING! just sitting lying around in BLISS.

LOVE and JOY wouldn't be a GRAND 'happening' then. T'would just be The One (Love all by Itself!) without even a thumb to 'suck', aye what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1rQHduZ9g WOOHOO!

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Without 'differences', the surface' of 'ocean' of Being would be flat. So there'd be nothing to surf (or 'dance' with)!

BORING! just sitting lying around in BLISS.

LOVE and JOY wouldn't be a GRAND 'happening' then. T'would just be The One (Love all by Itself!) without even a thumb to 'suck', aye what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1rQHduZ9g WOOHOO!

Its not about ending the appreciation of difference but rather the end of feeling disconected. It is in that context that nonduality asserts that despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One.

[sentient]

Carrying on with my own agenda here and my previously posted video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU1bEmq_pf0

In the introduction of the above lecture by Gimbutas, it was said, that:

The evident relevance of her work to the universally recognized need in our time for a general transformation of consciousness – numerous writers, scholars and artists have been inspired by her decoding of the symbolic language of the life affirming, nature celebrating Earth Goddess religion of the Aboriginal Europeans.

Imo. this just isn’t right information.
I see Gimbutas mind reflecting the ‘dreaming’ (so to speak) of the Near Eastern agricultural migration population beliefs, the early European farmers.
As Gimbutas had also said: "Europeans are heirs of 2 entirely different cultures, the Early Farmer and the Indo-European" – so here she totally ignores the earlier culture - that of the original Hunter-Gatherers.
This same attitude later to be taken into the ‘New Worlds’ and claiming them to be Terra Nullius – Nobody’s land, void of any culture and ready for a rightful takeover by 'civilized' Europeans.

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The Aboriginal Europeans were Shamanic and in the Shamanic Worldview - it is neither the matriarchal Earth Goddess nor the patriarchal Sky God – but both united - in balance.

Therefore – after a ‘Shamanic Death Experience’ - the Shaman becomes a ‘Third Gender’, because in order to be a channel of non dual energies prior to the dual split into male-female polarities one has to be both, yet neither. (Not to be misunderstood to mean gays, transvestites etc.)
i.e. it is only when there is an initiation or empowerment involving Energy/Spirit – that one realizes this Energy which one is dealing with IS beyond gender.

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[Joe Mc]

Originally Posted by sentient

The Sketch:

Being European or being of European descent means that genetically and culturally ‘we’ are a mixture of 3 major migratory waves into Europe.

1. The original Hunter-Gatherers, the Shamanic Palaeolithic era.

2. The Early European Farmers - as in - migrations of Near Eastern populations into Europe who brought in the agriculture and this matriarchal Goddess business. The Neolithic era. (Now the Feminist’s ‘Dreamtime’)
No major warfare with the hunter-gatherers who retreated to the fringes and carried on as usual with their Shamanic business.

3. According to Gimbutas - enter the ‘John Waynes’ into the scene – the patriarchal, militant and hierarchical Kurgan Steppe Pastoralists – who killed people right, left and centre that were seen to be in the way of these brutes progression to take over and rule the European lands. They also brought the Indo-European language. Early Bronze Age.
Meanwhile back in the Forests among the Forest Spirits the hunter-fisher-gatherers carried on as usual with our Shamanic culture missing out on these Goddesses and Gods, but I do like to look at the images in Gimbutas' book, they are fascinating, a fantastic body of work

European invasions:
https://theconversation.com/european...uropeans-38096

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Great let me study that, thanks for the outline. See what comes through.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Joe Mc

Great let me study that, thanks for the outline. See what comes through.

Yeah, enough said.
Thank you Joe.

A song for you:
“Last of the Wilds” with Celtic 'vibe' and Irish Uilleann pipes?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVLZppHLWF4

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[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Its not about ending the appreciation of difference but rather the end of feeling disconnected. It is in that context that nonduality asserts that despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One.

All is One is a 'self'-masturbatory 'high' (IMO, and only in IMO now!)

'Connecting' requires that one appreciate and be 'thrilled' by 'involvement' with, and so getting 'high' off of, the uniquely/special/different energy or vibe of an other.

It is in loving the/an other that one experiences 'connection'.

'Connection' with your 'self' or a feature thereof, whether it it be your 'hand' or your 'greater' (source/home self) is simply a 'given' fact of Life, like 'Being' is never 'Not' - as is implicit in statements like "Wherever you go, there you are!"

It occurs to me that maybe 'non-dualists' are not really missing/seeking the feeling/experience and creative possibilities inherent in a 'connection', but rather the feeling/experience of (being at) 'home' - which would explain why someone like me experiences such folks as being preoccupied with their 'own' feelings/experiences and not actually being or interested in being 'lovingly' ('love' in this case being a verb, now) relating/related.

I think that the whole purpose of souls individuating and (thereby) leaviing the 'womb' of their One-source 'home' (as they go into 'duality) is to experience and grow/evolve in ways which result in their being able to experience and express more different kinds and higher and higher levels of the 'best' kinds of love and joy in relation to others, and so suggest that preoccupation with Oneness, Non-Duality, etc. is likely to be counterproductive and Life-opportunity avoidant - sort of like a 'kid' at summer 'camp' who feels so 'homesick' that he or she doesn't eagerly/fully engage in all of the various possible activities available in said 'camp' setting with other 'campers'.

[weareunity]

I think the expression "all is one" is simply logic--as all which is is one. There is nothing, can be nothing, which is not included in "all"--that is what all means- to me anyway.
Seems to me there is a lot of mystique attached to a condition which just is, doesn't have to be made, fought for, argued for, etc.all is just there, and here, and everywhere. No skill needed, no practices needed to bring about.Already here, there, everywhere. Always here, there, everywhere. --and all regardless of being recognised or not. petex

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by davidsun

All is One is a 'self'-masturbatory 'high' (IMO, and only in IMO now!)

'Connecting' requires that one appreciate and be 'thrilled' by 'involvement' with, and so getting 'high' off of, the uniquely/special/different energy or vibe of an other.

It is in loving the/an other that one experiences 'connection'.

'Connection' with your 'self' or a feature thereof, whether it it be your 'hand' or your 'greater' (source/home self) is simply a 'given' fact of Life, like 'Being' is never 'Not' - as is implicit in statements like "Wherever you go, there you are!"

It occurs to me that maybe 'non-dualists' are not really missing/seeking the feeling/experience and creative possibilities inherent in a 'connection', but rather the feeling/experience of (being at) 'home' - which would explain why someone like me experiences such folks as being preoccupied with their 'own' feelings/experiences and not actually being or interested in being 'lovingly' ('love' in this case being a verb, now) relating/related.

I think that the whole purpose of souls individuating and (thereby) leaviing the 'womb' of their One-source 'home' (as they go into 'duality) is to experience and grow/evolve in ways which result in their being able to experience and express more different kinds and higher and higher levels of the 'best' kinds of love and joy in relation to others, and so suggest that preoccupation with Oneness, Non-Duality, etc. is likely to be counterproductive and Life-opportunity avoidant - sort of like a 'kid' at summer 'camp' who feels so 'homesick' that he or she doesn't eagerly/fully engage in all of the various possible activities available in said 'camp' setting with other 'campers'.

So the idea All is One doesn't work for you:)

What has worked for you, or would you still describe yourself as a seeker?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by weareunity

I think the expression "all is one" is simply logic--as all which is is one. There is nothing, can be nothing, which is not included in "all"--that is what all means- to me anyway.
Seems to me there is a lot of mystique attached to a condition which just is, doesn't have to be made, fought for, argued for, etc.all is just there, and here, and everywhere. No skill needed, no practices needed to bring about.Already here, there, everywhere. Always here, there, everywhere. --and all regardless of being recognised or not. petex

Yes the idea "All is One" does resonate for some. Has it ended the search for you or would you still describe yourself as a seeker?

[weareunity]

Iamit. A statement of logic is not an idea. You have quoted my entire previous post, and if you have understood it you should be able to see the logical answer to the questions you ask of me. I take it that you have either not understood or are using questions to which you already know the logical answer for reasons of your own. It happens. petex