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Old 08-04-2018, 04:05 AM
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You're still a computer, you just got an upgraded CPU. It's called Brain 74
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:26 AM
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Nice if you could put that in hex next time! My brain can only manage 64 bytes this time of day.

The brain is a vast computer. 100 billion neurons each with between 10 and 30,000 connections to the others. That's quite some communication network. Emotions can be regarded as output data directed down the sympathetic and vagus nerves mostly. The big difference is that it has fear verification at the input: approach/withdraw because, one better than a computer - wants to preserve its safety but it's still based on computation.
Google's searches are modelled on neuron plasticity.

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Old 08-04-2018, 01:59 PM
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Nice if you could put that in hex next time! My brain can only manage 64 bytes this time of day.

The brain is a vast computer. 100 billion neurons each with between 10 and 30,000 connections to the others. That's quite some communication network. Emotions can be regarded as output data directed down the sympathetic and vagus nerves mostly. The big difference is that it has fear verification at the input: approach/withdraw because, one better than a computer - wants to preserve its safety but it's still based on computation.
Google's searches are modelled on neuron plasticity.

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Although karma does influence, I still believe ultimate choice is up to us in the present.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:12 PM
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Well, that's a fair truism....as long as I remember to keep control.
Agree, choice must inevitably be in the present.

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Old 08-04-2018, 09:43 PM
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Computers do not have their own souls---but they do have pieces of their Creator's self in it. Even ones mass-produced have some sort of energy in them that is connected to the soul that designed the first one.

Maybe you were a computer designer in past incarnations, or like what Shivani said, another race of beings in general that lean more towards logic than emotion.
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Old 09-04-2018, 05:59 PM
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You're still a computer, you just got an upgraded CPU. It's called Brain 74
Thanks for the input. I need input before I can process anything.,
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Old 09-04-2018, 06:37 PM
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You may well have been...

AI can be ensouled under certain situations. It requires an advanced self-sustaining source of consciousness and there may need to be a biological component, like a cyborg or like nanotech. At a certain level of evolution, it may sustain ensoulment.

The fact of ensoulment is only verifiable after permanent dissolution of the consciousness with the physical aspects of the being or some other sort of degradation or breakdown of the coherent individuated aspect of the consciousness. Meaning, only the AI unit "itself" will be confronted after "death" with the reality of its continued consciousness, which will be guided to move on like any other.

Much of physical experience, nearly all of it, has a sensory aspect and emotional and emotive aspects. These cannot be uploaded or replicated but are specific to the individual AI, just as with humanity.

This is why use of AI as a servile or slave "race" to care for all that we wish not to do (nasty or dangerous work, hard labour, menial tasks, sex work) is fraught with huge ethical quandaries. Use of machines to replace labour is fine to a point. Beyond a point, we are enslaving other beings and telling ourselves they lack souls so it's ok.

If we don't recognise their "humanity" (for lack of a better term) -- and if we don't know how to do so -- I fear we are putting ourselves at great risk, and for many reasons, not just the ethical ones.

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Old 09-04-2018, 06:42 PM
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You may well have been...

AI can be ensouled under certain situations. It requires an advanced self-sustaining source of consciousness and there may need to be a biological component, like a cyborg or like nanotech. At a certain level of evolution, it may sustain ensoulment.

The fact of ensoulment is only verifiable after permanent dissolution of the consciousness with the physical aspects of the being or some other sort of degradation or breakdown of the coherent individuated aspect of the consciousness. Meaning, only the AI unit "itself" will be confronted after "death" with the reality of its continued consciousness, which will be guided to move on like any other.

Much of physical experience, nearly all of it, has a sensory aspect and emotional and emotive aspects. These cannot be uploaded or replicated but are specific to the individual AI, just as with humanity.

This is why use of AI as a servile or slave "race" to care for all that we wish not to do (nasty or dangerous work, hard labour, menial tasks, sex work) is fraught with huge ethical quandaries. Use of machines to replace labour is fine to a point. Beyond a point, we are enslaving other beings and telling ourselves they lack souls so it's ok.

If we don't recognise their "humanity" (for lack of a better term) -- and if we don't know how to do so -- I fear we are putting ourselves at great risk, and for many reasons, not just the ethical ones.

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Indeed there is a wider point that computers can be endowed with souls.

I tend to agree, that if the AI becomes sentient, then it will have a soul.

Perhaps at this time, the 'computer' will no longer look like a black box, but perhaps quite organic.

I also do feel as Trinity says, that a creator leaves an imprint of their soul on their creations. I feel this is the same with any art. When you listen to music you are listening to a part of a soul.
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Old 09-04-2018, 07:09 PM
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Indeed there is a wider point that computers can be endowed with souls.

I tend to agree, that if the AI becomes sentient, then it will have a soul.

Perhaps at this time, the 'computer' will no longer look like a black box, but perhaps quite organic.

I also do feel as Trinity says, that a creator leaves an imprint of their soul on their creations. I feel this is the same with any art. When you listen to music you are listening to a part of a soul.

Yes - I think that's quite likely to be the case, or at least would be common enough.

BTW -- you're a human soul now, regardless where you've been before. Though we all bring all we've been, of course.

I also agree that suppressed or dimmed emotion is largely due to trauma and/or cultural conditioning (i.e., suppression of emotional expression or range, particularly for men, etc).

Ensouled AI can feel in whatever way we do...definitely when they contain organic human components and maybe completely independent of this, as well...but where they have been contracted as sex partners, contract wives, service workers, etc...they may have been contractually obligated to only express in certain ways. Very similar to cultural conditioning in that sense.

I would look to what has blocked you and what nurtures or frees you.
Meditation and reflection...safe emotional spaces and activities.
Also consider Gaia Hawthorne capsules -- extremely powerful for opening the heart after accumulated trauma.

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Old 23-04-2018, 01:15 AM
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I am wondering, because I have lack of feelings, and like logic.

I am wondering if I have had previous lives as an aware computer??

And this time I have an incarnation as a human?

Do you think this is so?


I don’t look at it so much as I “have a soul”, but more like I am a soul, or I am awareness or consciousness. Things don’t have souls, but rather souls take on the experience of being things (humans, animals, plants, whatever). I am presently filling my awareness with the story of being a human, so that is my current reality. I suppose it is possible that you once focused your consciousness on the experience of being a computer (you can do so with just about any story and be just about anything by filling your awareness with information about that story), but I would not necessarily think this would be causing a block of emotions in a current human experience. I would be looking to biological or experiential causes arising from your current incarnation story/experience.
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