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I consciously put in the phase "conceptual time" to point to what I was not describing.



Trying in the moment to be aware and free of something delusional existing or occurring is the path. Trying to be free of the conceptual is delusional and continues the ego or false self. "Trying" also can be linked to "becoming" mind. Of course also trying is usually wholly thought based. Who or what tries to be detached from thought? And does this who or what tell us what we must do to change? Is the speaker that which is aware or that which is a result of conditioning and habit? Am I the creator of my thoughts?




In the Buddhist 8path, there is 'right effort', and anyone can read about that online, but the notion is very nuanced. Buddha used the anology that a musician cant play an instrument that is wound too tight or wound too loose - and can only play one that is wound just right - and whatever nuance of meaning that analogy conveys, the notions of 'right effort' and/or 'effortlessness' are not justifications of spiritual righteousness, but discussion points that reflect insight into what 'effort' is 'right'.


I already discussed that the effort is not trying to make things different to what they are now, because now is the way it 'already is' and nothing can be done about that, but one can be consciously aware in this moment, not by making themselves so per-se, but because it is true that 'this' is the moment of conscious awareness. In this sense, nothing is 'done' because nothing can be done, and the materialisation of experience as it is now can only be consciously observed - or you can be distracted from it.


The 'right effort' is essentially bringing attention to 'what is' 'as it is' now, and each time you notice you drifted off with the fabrications of the mind, remember, and return. If this is not done and one is 'unconscious' then the other aspects of 'right effort' involving disbanding 'defilements' or 'unskillfulness' and cultivation merits or 'skillfulness' can not be accomplished. Hence, the meditation incorporates what is the right effort, which is a complete effort, and not a mindless effort compelled 1/2 by desire and 1/2 by aversion.


So 'effort' is not ruled by agitations, passions and what have you, and the no effort is not ruled by complacency, IOW the stringed instrument isn't wound to tight or too loose, and the player produces something 'in tune', but only when the fullness of attention is given to what he plays. In short, the effort basically or fundamentally means, meditation requires all of your attention, and much diligence. The critical aspect of this, I think, is the effort of willingness is actually more difficult that the efforts of willfulness - and that makes a tremendous difference to how people people act. Indeed 'willingness' implies no reaction, avoidance resistance aversion etc, making the willing act complete unto itself.


Apart from that, anyone can google the formal discourse on 'right effort', which I encourage they do.
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