Mindful meditation and how it relates to kamma

[sky]

[quote=Rain95]What if one was not attached to a calm and equanimous place? Then the pain could be meditation as well. The noise and quiet, the suffering and peace, pain and pleasure, all the same. Without importance. All transitory.[/QUOTE

If you accept all of what you mention above without judgement then you are in a calm/equanimous place.

Originally Posted by Rain95

What if one was not attached to a calm and equanimous place? Then the pain could be meditation as well. The noise and quiet, the suffering and peace, pain and pleasure, all the same. Without importance. All transitory.

Yes, exactly THAT.

With Love
Eelco

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Rain95

What if one was not attached to a calm and equanimous place? Then the pain could be meditation as well.

The noise and quiet, the suffering and peace, pain and pleasure, all the same. Without importance. All transitory.

What you say describes what is termed 'equanimity'.

Originally Posted by Gem

To clarify terms:

Kamma = intent, volition, motive, will
Sankara = the potential created by kamma

The main point is that kamma only exists now. Sankaras generated depend on the nature on kamma, and as potentials, they carry forward into subsequent moments.

Kamma =

Kamma or karma can be put in the simple language of the child: do good and good will come to you, now, and hereafter. Do bad and bad will come to you, now, and hereafter.

In the language of the harvest, kamma can be explained in this way: if you sow good seeds, you will reap a good harvest. If you sow bad seeds, you will reap a bad harvest.

In the language of science, kamma is called the law of cause and effect: every cause has an effect. Another name for this is the law of moral causation. Moral causation works in the moral realm just as the physical law of action and reaction works in the physical realm.

In the Dhammapada, kamma is explained in this manner: the mind is the chief (forerunner) of all good and bad states. If you speak or act with a good or bad mind, then happiness or unhappiness follows you just as the wheel follows the hoof of the ox or like your shadow which never leaves you.

Sankara =

Translations of
saṅkhāra
English formations
volitional formations
volitional activities
Pali सङ्खार (saṅkhāra)
Sanskrit संस्कार (saṃskāra)

Saṅkhāra (Pali; Sanskrit saṃskāra) is a term figuring prominently in Buddhism. The word means 'that which has been put together' and 'that which puts together'.

In the first (passive) sense, saṅkhāra refers to conditioned phenomena generally but specifically to all mental "dispositions".[1] These are called 'volitional formations' both because they are formed as a result of volition and because they are causes for the arising of future volitional actions.[2] English translations for saṅkhāra in the first sense of the word include 'conditioned things,'[3] 'determinations,'[4] 'fabrications'[5] and 'formations' (or, particularly when referring to mental processes, 'volitional formations').[6]

In the second (active) sense of the word, saṅkhāra refers to karma (sankhara-khandha) that leads to conditioned arising, dependent origination.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble,
You seem to take your understanding for truth instead of your understanding.
There's a big difference between the two.

With Love
Eelco

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by Gem

I try to explain things so they make sense, so I don't contextualise it as simple instruction, but rather, try to explain the rationale or the principle behind why it is practiced in the way it is.

I want people to practice from their own understanding, and when I talk in a thread like this, there is no 'information' to be used later on... it's more like through listening something clicks and a new understanding emerges within oneself which refines their way of meditation. A realisation like , "I see" occurs inside, and one hones the practice through such a realisation. From an undertanding within rather than an instruction from outside.

I know how you come across. Its very clear to me. I hope you don't mind but I sent it to a friend to read. He shared it opened up a reminder from his yoga days doing something similar, but not in any great length back then.. So we are going to work with this and bring the awareness differently into the next meditation. As for what arises and deepens through this, is what each one will understand for their own process, I understand the inside process will be what it will be..

I think the information you offer, supports to notice things differently and it is a way to create and open up your normal practice into something different, just through noticing and changing things around..

[sky]

If our mind becomes firm like a rock
and no longer shakes
In a world where everything is shaking
Your mind will be your greatest friend
and suffering will not come your way.


Found this little Poem in the ' Therigatha ' Verses of the Elder Nuns I am reading , this to me is referring to equanimity, and sums it up perfectly in a few words.

[Gem]

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Do you ever check your realization with people walking the same path?

It does occur that people have realizations that turn out to be mistakes.
thinking they are realized when in fact they are deluding themselves..

With Love
Eelco

[Gem]

Originally Posted by posted by Eelco}"Kamma or karma can be put in the simple language of the child: do good and good will come to you, now, and hereafter. Do bad and bad will come to you, now, and hereafter.

In the language of the harvest, kamma can be explained in this way: if you sow good seeds, you will reap a good harvest. If you sow bad seeds, you will reap a bad harvest.

In the language of science, kamma is called the law of cause and effect: every cause has an effect. Another name for this is the law of moral causation. Moral causation works in the moral realm just as the physical law of action and reaction works in the physical realm.

In the Dhammapada, kamma is explained in this manner: the mind is the chief (forerunner) of all good and bad states. If you speak or act with a good or bad mind, then happiness or unhappiness follows you just as the wheel follows the hoof of the ox or like your shadow which never leaves you"

"In the first (passive) sense, saṅkhāra refers to conditioned phenomena generally but specifically to all mental "dispositions".[1

These are called 'volitional formations' both because they are formed as a result of volition and because they are causes for the arising of future volitional actions.[2] English translations for saṅkhāra in the first sense of the word include 'conditioned things,'[3] 'determinations,'[4] 'fabrications'[5] and 'formations' (or, particularly when referring to mental processes, 'volitional formations').[6]

In the second (active) sense of the word, saṅkhāra refers to karma (sankhara-khandha) that leads to conditioned arising, dependent origination. (reference not provided)"

Thanks, Eelco, for providing more elaborate definitions. I won't be quoting any texts myself because people interested in looking these things up can google them as easily as I can. I encourage people to look things up, of course.

Originally Posted by Gem

Thanks, Eelco, for providing more elaborate definitions. I won't be quoting any texts myself because people interested in looking these things up can google them as easily as I can. I encourage people to look things up, of course.

Not asking you to quote anything.
Just asking you to check if your understanding matches with others who have walked the eight fold path. either from written sources or buddhist monks.

Not to invalidate you realizations, only to separate what you realize from what is commonly realized by "Buddhists" whatever that may be.

That way you can say I realized this and it is helpful in this or that matter instead of.
These buddhist terms mean this or that.

See the subtle difference between the two?

With Love
Eelco