Flat Earth obsession

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

i believe it unfair of you to proclaim what is known to another (in this instance, myself).
you rob me of the opportunity to express my thoughts, and yourself of the potential to
see something in a new way. lose/lose.

"Bashar describes the universe from a new perspective and introduces the concept of reality as an infinitude of still frames passing through our consciousness at a rate of billions per second."
Bashar :: Shifting through infinity - Highlights
https://vimeo.com/203925041

No, you are being unfair here to yourself because you do not get to question or argue against that which is objective. There are live streams from satalites where you get to see the Earth, as well as dozen of pictures and even people who've been to the moon and so forth, yet you flat earthiers always dissmiss it as either fake or CGI. What more evidence do you need besides people that have actually flown all around the world? Don't tell me you also believe that the moon and the sun are two artificial manmade light bulbs? It disturbs me that even in 2018 there are ADULTS that actually believe all this nonsense.

[Gem]

[quote=Azmond]Actually, from what little I read on their theories, they can find ways to explain everything and anything, as is often with the game of imagination. Anything you can come up with in terms of scientific research, they can counter it, with the use of imagination. What is amazing is, most of their proposed solutions to how flat earth works, are even harder to imagine and even more nonsensical, but that does not seem to bother them one bit, as long as it works to keep the pieces together. So from their side, no planes never really circle the globe, there is no globe, what happens is, when plane comes close to the wall, their gps points them away from the wall to the destination they are headed to. To everyone it seems they were flaying straight, because for some reason trained pilots don't notice the plane turning, or just don't care because it is a conspiracy after all, maybe they are on it..../quote] Sure. You'd have to completely ignore the physical evidence to maintain a flat earth theory, I marvel at how people just say they believe it in this day and age of jet planes and satellites. Then there's the sphere 'theory', which explains everything very neatly (because earth, like all planets, is actually spherical)

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

No, you are being unfair here to yourself because you do not get to question or argue against that which is objective. There are live streams from satalites where you get to see the Earth, as well as dozen of pictures and even people who've been to the moon and so forth, yet you flat earthiers always dissmiss it as either fake or CGI. What more evidence do you need besides people that have actually flown all around the world? Don't tell me you also believe that the moon and the sun are two artificial manmade light bulbs? It disturbs me that even in 2018 there are ADULTS that actually believe all this nonsense.

i am an "experiential will-being", which means i'm a being of will essence
having experiences. one thing that i cannot experience is "objectivity"...
for me to have the experience requires me to have it "subjectively". i do
not see how any person, place, or thing could credibly claim to have had
an objective experience, detached from awareness, removed from oneself.
i have convinced myself, through logic, that there is no (honest) witness
to the 'reality' of objectivity. i surmise that objectivity is a mere fiction,
perpetrated by beings who devalue themselves [or others].
there exists an illusion that "life goes on without me", popularized in the
song Just A Gigolo... but i have had no direct experience outside of my
experience within life.

i don't see the benefit to demanding that others view reality in an identical
manner to myself. i feel that my experiences are broadened by accepting
that other witnesses to creation may formulate ideas which are different
than my own. i am not adverse to meeting people who have differing
viewpoints... which may lead to me learning new things. i don't appreciate
it when my viewpoint is discounted out of hand, without consideration,
carelessly, without respect.

why limit ourselves to tree dimensions?
Hyperdimensional Reality and Synchromysticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz582j7FZQE

A universe of 10 dimensions
https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html

How Many Dimensions Does the Universe Really Have?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/p...e-really-have/

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Originally Posted by Gem

(That's not really a Bashar concept per se, but a concept from the old vedantas I believe... and retold in Buddhism).
However, that the world is round is true because if you get in a plane and fly East (or indeed in any straight line), you end up where you started. A flat erath theory would have a hard time explaining that in terms flying round in circles. I would still like to know however, according to FET, where is the exact cente of the world?

i don't know if the idea can be traced to one unique source... it's said that
Newton and Leibniz developed calculus independently from one another,
at the same time. who can say with certainty?
i've failed to find a reference to the idea while browsing this page:
Vedanta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta

neither do i know of "the exact cente of the world" according to FET. :(

[Gem]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

neither do i know of "the exact cente of the world" according to FET. :(

Well FET would have some difficulty defining the exact centre of the flat world, I imagine.

[dianamadalina]

It is possible to look at a live stream of NASA that shows how Earth is how they taught us in school.

[Nature Grows]

Just Some ancient cultures depictions of the world, not saying earths flat. This seems to be more about heaven, earth and the underworld. Or/and other worlds/realms, some of these maps can be found in more detail too, the Norse one can but that picture was a bit too big to post here.

[Compendium]

Okay I did not read all the comments so if I repeat someone I am sorry.

The farthest the human eye can see is at most 30 miles. The earth curves every 1000 miles or so and since we would always be walking toward the horizon the earth will always appear to be flat as we will always be viewing it in 30 miles sections. In order to see the curve we would have to see 1000 miles in the distance to see the curve. Furthermore I do agree we did not go to the moon whenthey claim we did because the thermosphere in the upper atmospher is 3,500 degrees ferenheight and if you research the matarials that made the up the the apollo including what was used as a heat shielding none of thematerials can withstand the heat of the upper thermosphere. Even the hubble and the space station orbit lower than this threshold. Then when you take into account the Van Allen belts the idea of going to the moon in the 60s is highly improbable unless the Apollo was made from a different material other than what NASA claims was used. However just recently we discovered a material or made public the discovery of a material that can withstand the temperatures of the thermosphere. This however does not mean the earth is flat. The proof the earth is round exists in the ability of the human eye, the shadow on the moon, and the study of the stars and how they move. :)

Remember just because someone is book smart doesnt mean they have common sense.

Namaste`

Ps telescopes and binoculars do not give you the ability to see farther they allow you to view images that are farther away in a magnified manner. The reason we can see the stars and celestial bodies is because the light they reflect or give off is traveling to us and being received by the eyes. Remember all colors of the light spectrum are absorbed by the object except the color it reflects. The color it reflects is in fact just reflected light therefore we are seeing the light the object is reflecting.

[Lucky 1]

Originally Posted by Compendium

Okay I did not read all the comments so if I repeat someone I am sorry.

The farthest the human eye can see is at most 30 miles. The earth curves every 1000 miles or so and since we would always be walking toward the horizon the earth will always appear to be flat as we will always be viewing it in 30 miles sections. In order to see the curve we would have to see 1000 miles in the distance to see the curve.

This is not entirely accurate........from a mathematical standpoint.... visible horizon depends on the height of the viewer....

For instance..... because of the curvature of the earth......for a six foot tall man the nominal horizon is only a bit over 3 miles......

To put this in perspective......if your hypothetical six foot man is standing on the beach looking out at...let's say offshore oil rigs.....at about three and a half miles he can see the whole rig almost to the water line....

At just over six miles all he can see is the very top of the rigs superstructure.

Okay...now let's raise the viewing level....if our six foot man is standing on the top of the Himalayan mountains...a bit over 29,000 feet....if you work the math the nominal horizon is a bit over 230 miles....

[Compendium]

Thats why it says "at most" which is entirely accurate under the correct circumstances the most the human eye can see is 30 mi.

Here is my reference and if it is not enough I am sure I can find the scientific studies as well.

https://www.livescience.com/33895-human-eye.html

Either way it is far under the 1000 mile distance to see the curvature of earth.