Formula that helped me to see through the illusion of self =become non-dual

[Neenu]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Glad that has worked for you Neena.

There is also something often called the Direct Approach in which both states of Self/No self are already Oneness, so in that approach it is not possible to become more Oneness for Oneness is already The Self and all states :)

So should the feeling leave you that becoming No Self as ocurred, and you are back in the state of being The Self, you will be no less Oneness than you were when you felt you were No Self:)

And you would not have lost anything in terms of connection to Oneness:)

Thank you lamit. It is an event so natural and afterwards obvious, one is surprised by how simple yet difficult it is :)

The open awareness is there, in all of us. This is what you refer to as Oneness, I think. We need a bit of help to find it, behind all the baggage and karma. But once one truly recognizes it, there is no way not to know it.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Neenu

Thank you lamit. It is an event so natural and afterwards obvious, one is surprised by how simple yet difficult it is :)

The open awareness is there, in all of us. This is what you refer to as Oneness, I think. We need a bit of help to find it, behind all the baggage and karma. But once one truly recognizes it, there is no way not to know it.

Love that Einstien quote, thanks and good luck, not that you need it if all you are looking for is to be wholely Oneness manifest, for that is unavoidable no matter what state you are in. Even feeling disconnected is not disconnected!!!

[Neenu]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Love that Einstien quote, thanks and good luck, not that you need it if all you are looking for is to be wholely Oneness manifest, for that is unavoidable no matter what state you are in. Even feeling disconnected is not disconnected!!!

Thank you lamit, all the best to you too

[Nature Grows]

"Oneness is the ego, the oneself (one-self) of that which cannot be named."

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by inavalan

It's obvious that we, in physical, aren't Oneness, we can't be so, and we shouldn't try to be so, in my opinion.

From a nondual perspective there is nothing else available other than Oneness to arise as what you call "in physical" for one very good reason:-

From a nondual perspective Oneness is all there is that is real, all else is an illusion of difference where there is no difference whatsoever.
Once all is included as Oneness manifest the problem with trying or not trying to be in this or that state disappears, for Oneness is already all states! And any movement that one may feel has been made from one state to another can not in any way increase connection to Oneness, for Oneness is already both the previous state and the new one.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Nature Grows

"Oneness is the ego, the oneself (one-self) of that which cannot be named."

The term Oneness is used to indicate that despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One, that Oneness is all there is, including of course the ego:) And yet there is such an intense campaign to get rid of poor old ego as though its a barrier to ending disconnection from Oneness, when, ironically, it is already Oneness:)

[Nature Grows]

Originally Posted by Iamit

The term Oneness is used to indicate that despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One, that Oneness is all there is, including of course the ego:) And yet there is such an intense campaign to get rid of poor old ego as though its a barrier to ending disconnection from Oneness, when, ironically, it is already Oneness:)

The post was more saying that oneness is not the ultimate reality, oneness its not as far as "one" can go, there is nothing beyond oneness, literally no-thing.. is the state beyond oneness... but now that i have called it no-thing it's not that.. because thats something.. technically speaking.

Some people reach oneness or even no-thing and think they are done, some say thats only the beginning because now its time to live your life more fully after that instead of saying you are done.. i understand what you say how everything is one manifested already, iv said the same thing before... im sure i even said it on this website before you started saying it.. but i only said it once. (that wasn't an insult, i have said the same thing before, a while ago)

I have experienced oneness, have i experienced no-thing? .. im not sure, i don't know.

[Nature Grows]

Like iv said before too, these are just realisations whats more important is the love in your heart. Other wise you just get a group of spiritual people sitting around talking about how realised they are.. and no one really cares besides them.

[revolver]

Originally Posted by Nature Grows

Like iv said before too, these are just realisations whats more important is the love in your heart. Other wise you just get a group of spiritual people sitting around talking about how realised they are.. and no one really cares besides them.

Actually a true so called self realized person wouldn't sit around talking about how enlightened they are, because they would realize that we are all One, that we are already that which we are and cannot be anything else, to do so would be still under the influenced by the ego.

[Nature Grows]

Originally Posted by revolver

Actually a true so called self realized person wouldn't sit around talking about how enlightened they are, because they would realize that we are all One, that we are already that which we are and cannot be anything else, to do so would be still under the influenced by the ego.

Well yea thats what Iamit means when he says this (bellow) and i have said the same thing before..

Originally Posted by Iamit

The term Oneness is used to indicate that despite the very convincing appearance of difference, All is One, that Oneness is all there is, including of course the ego:) And yet there is such an intense campaign to get rid of poor old ego as though its a barrier to ending disconnection from Oneness, when, ironically, it is already Oneness:)

But via this it means that those who sit around talking about how realised they are, are oneness too.. they may not know or have integrated it yet.

this was the quote that started this convo though "Oneness is the ego, the oneself (one-self) of that which cannot be named."

so with that we could say oneness is ego there is still a self a one-self its gone from an individual to a bigger expanded individual it may feel like no-self, but.. saying oneness is ego is ego, via this way of looking at it as everything is oneness already, to exclude the ego is ego but also oneness... and.. yea.. just getting caught up in words now..