A Nondualistic Duality?

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by catsquotl

I don't know..
Nibanna and parinibanna are different states In which Nibanna is experienced.
I'm leaning towards the sense of an experience in life when Nibanna is reached.
I'm leaning towards a total cessation of any experience when entering parinibanna

Everything I can currently name, point to, label, experience, think about. Is not it.
That which isn't experienced but regarded as at the source of the experience could be it.
I don't know..

With Love
Eelco

Once the false is eliminated/abandoned, the truth will remain.

In Buddhist terms as suffering diminishes (through direct seeing* of it and then abandonment of the suffering through this clear seeing) then, I believe, when and as the student starts to tire of this dukkha, and let it go, the karma will start to die down, the thoughts will start to lessen, emotions will be less powerful. At some point, there is a physical unravelling of the individual self, as the conceit and cause of dukkha is known, and in this mode of silence, it is easier to understand the potential reality of Nibbana. This is why meditation (no complex meditation required) is important in Buddhist traditions, in my opinion. Advaita-Vedanta is similar utilizing breath, or one thought or inquiry.

Just my (probably incorrect) opinions FWIW

BT

*post assumes direct seeing - i.e. gaining an experiential understanding of dukkha.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by slash112

Of course you can BT!

PM me for anything, I'd be happy to set you up a website, or even teach you how.

Wow thank you that is very generous! I'll keep that in mind. Kudos on the site by the way.

BT

[slash112]

No bother at all! And thank you

Originally Posted by slash112

See bolded bit. So something did indeed change.

I know it seems irrelevant. Boy do I know. I lived for at least 2 months with a heavy paradox of "everything changes! but.. nothing changes!!?!". I guess I've still been living with that paradox, but it fades away.

But at the end of the day, something changes. hence, there's a goal.

Who or what changes?
Can something that is not there suddenly vanish?
Was it ever there in the first place then?
Are thoughts real or imagined?
Another change if you will is our relation to reality. Does reality change when we relate to it form another angle?

With Love
Eelco

[slash112]

Mind changes.

Thoughts are imagined. But all is imagined, so they are just as real as anything.

And yeah reality changes when our perspective changes. Reality literally IS our perception.

At least, that's the way I see it anyways. (At the moment xD)

[slash112]

There is the changing.

And there is the unchanging.

The only thing in the entire universe that is unchanging, is the self. The void.

So to say that nothing changes on enlightenment, can only be a falsity.

I've heard before (and said myself before) that you could say that everyone is already enlightened. But no no, it's, everyone has a perfect true self always watching from its perfect place. Doesn't mean the person is enlightened. Enlightenment/Nirvana/Vedanta/Buddhism/etc,etc,etc, is reference to a journey or a goal.

And what is a journey? Movement. Change.
And what is a goal? The desired change

Ok.

I think about that differently.
Yes it all changes.. But that changes nothing.

Then again I don't think of the void as self.
The deconstruction of ego/little self (enlightenment)
does not mean that a bigger, larger, all encompassing Self takes it's place.
Phenomenon arise by themselves and when they do also give rise to the consciousness of it. No phenomenon, No consciousness No Nothing..

Emptiness, void, peace?

With Love
Eelco

[swampgrl]

Seeing reality is like trying to paint a picture for another that has never been and/ or remembering it for ones-self.

One quickly realizes that no matter how hard they try, the picture painted will be incomplete, insufficient. This is not a defeat per say as all work with what they have and what they get.

The individual/ group makes up the palette, canvas, and painter.

Should the painting be found amateurish, the thing to always remember is that beauty and wonder-full are found in the beholder.

Finding beauty in all forms of art is truly magical.

[slash112]

Originally Posted by catsquotl

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Ok.

I think about that differently.
Yes it all changes.. But that changes nothing.

Then again I don't think of the void as self.
The deconstruction of ego/little self (enlightenment)
does not mean that a bigger, larger, all encompassing Self takes it's place.
Phenomenon arise by themselves and when they do also give rise to the consciousness of it. No phenomenon, No consciousness No Nothing..

Emptiness, void, peace?

I feel ya. Our perspectives aren't as contradictory as you think.

Sometimes **** gets confusing for me because I naturally take many different perspectives throughout my daily life. I hop from one to another depending on who I'm talking to. So all the perspectives sometimes get jumbled in my mind.

These discussions are great for me because they allow me to hone my general-perspective. (A perspective I can use in groups, or someone I can't get a read on)

[swampgrl]

Quite the discussion going on in here.

I shall paint a picture of 'discussion' using the drinking song 99 bottles of beer with a twist:

99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer.
Take one down and pass it around, 99 bottles of beer on the wall.

Cheers everyone!



Sierra