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Old 22-03-2017, 01:17 AM
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Separation from and Longing for a person or God?

I had a dream last night of separation from someone and the longing I felt. Rumi would see this as being ultimately the separation and longing for God, it seems like a very deep and fundamental issue, is it about people, or the deeper separation from God?

*the pain of yearning: The longing of love is painful, because of
separation-- yet also sweet. This is because the longing brings
remembrance of the beloved's beauty. Longing for nearness to a
human beloved, such as a spiritual master, is a means for the
spiritual disciple to increase his longing for nearness to God, the
only Beloved. Rumi said: "If thought of (longing) sorrow is
highway-robbing (your) joy, (yet) it is working out a means to
provide joy.... It is scattering the yellow leaves from the branch of
the heart so that continual green leaves may grow.... Whatever
(longing) sorrow sheds or takes from the heart, truly it will bring
better in exchange." (Mathnawi V:3678, 3680, 3683)


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The Song of the Reed by Rumi

Listen to the song of the reed,
How it wails with the pain of separation:

"Ever since I was taken from my reed bed
My woeful song has caused men and women to weep.
I seek out those whose hearts are torn by separation
For only they understand the pain of this longing.
Whoever is taken away from his homeland
Yearns for the day he will return.
In every gathering, among those who are happy or sad,
I cry with the same lament.
Everyone hears according to his own understanding,
None has searched for the secrets within me.
My secret is found in my lament
But an eye or ear without light cannot know it . . ."

The sound of the reed comes from fire, not wind
What use is one's life without this fire?
It is the fire of love that brings music to the reed.
It is the ferment of love that gives taste to the wine.
The song of the reed soothes the pain of lost love.
Its melody sweeps the veils from the heart.
Can there be a poison so bitter or a sugar so sweet
As the song of the reed?

To hear the song of the reed
everything you have ever known must be left behind.
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Old 22-03-2017, 05:47 AM
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Separation in feeling from your core self. Call it God or something else, it becomes about the deepest feeling of perceived separation if one holds it in themselves.

When you feel complete you don't yearn for completion. You understand loss is loss and we let go more freely to death and life as one source in us.
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Old 22-03-2017, 10:42 AM
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For myself there was a longing to be myself . Although one can only be that, there was something missing in awareness of that . If there is the sense of 'I am' then there will always be a sense of the individual self .

There can be collective merging and oneness, and union of sorts but this will be mindful still .

If one has realized what they are (which is beyond the individual) then there will be a longing to be of the realization (which to some is God or Self) .

When there has been the realization had and then awareness of the individual once again, then one understands that experiencing the 'I AM' is suffering .

While there is suffering, there is longing for the suffering to cease . Some however are not aware of the comparison, which can give the impression that I am not suffering, or I am not longing, but you always are .


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Old 22-03-2017, 12:18 PM
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Hello,

For me, it is not a seperation from God or creation, but more a coming to peace with in myself.

Life brings periods in which things are to be worked out and this may take time to do.

Things that occurred and experienced, at the the time did not understand or was focused upon getting through those periods.

In hindsight and through experience understanding has developed. The understanding brings a deeper connection to myself and others. Brings a deeper relationship with life. In this a deeper relationship with the "God" aspect. The sense and connection with the mysteries and faith in life. In this a sense of peace comes.

Through this a realization with in myself that "God" is never separate from me
Sometimes, the focus is not on this aspect and what it may be or mean. Sometimes the focus is on taking care of bussiness being here.

Which, to me, in its own way seems to be connected to Spirit/God and it is with in the mind this gets remembered and evaluated.

Letting go of the concepts and seeing more clearly what life brings and that it all seems to intertwine.

Yes, there can be a longing and a desire to deepen that sense of peace.
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Old 22-03-2017, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by God-Like
For myself there was a longing to be myself . Although one can only be that, there was something missing in awareness of that . If there is the sense of 'I am' then there will always be a sense of the individual self .

There can be collective merging and oneness, and union of sorts but this will be mindful still .

If one has realized what they are (which is beyond the individual) then there will be a longing to be of the realization (which to some is God or Self) .

When there has been the realization had and then awareness of the individual once again, then one understands that experiencing the 'I AM' is suffering .

While there is suffering, there is longing for the suffering to cease . Some however are not aware of the comparison, which can give the impression that I am not suffering, or I am not longing, but you always are .


x daz x


LOL....hahahaha....Yes, so true
But without doubt, somewhere and sometime, there will be a reckoning.
A realisation....an "OOOOhhhhh....so THAT's what they meant!"

And what Moonglow said too
That deepening of peace is what begins to assuage the longing.
It is akin to the sapling that at first is quite raw and tender and seemingly not yet fully at peace with its environment,
but which over time becomes strong and alive in its growth and in its presence in the moment.
We are the sapling becoming the tree.

Peace and blessings
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Old 22-03-2017, 03:33 PM
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Django...you've picked up on something in the spiritual air and thank you so much for sharing...
More on the tree...and what a beautiful image that is...bridging heaven and earth.

Quote:
It is scattering the yellow leaves from the branch of
the heart so that continual green leaves may grow.... Whatever
(longing) sorrow sheds or takes from the heart, truly it will bring
better in exchange." (Mathnawi V:3678, 3680, 3683)

(It helps to read the whole OP )
Peace & blessings
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