No, no, no and NO!

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Honza

Thanks Angels Eyes. I feel doubt again now.
I'm no longer sure that Jesus is the right path this afternoon. Oh well.......

Oh, Honza, thank you so much ...that gave me the biggest belly laugh...
My first of the day....I love it.
I don't think you can go "wrong" with Jesus though.....
How about Jesus, plus read the Gita and the Sufi mystics and anything else that
Is inspiring...be eclectic!


But whatever, practicing feeling the Divine Presence is a pretty neat Path, too...
And non denominational...no borders...no definitions...just feel the Divine all around you and
In you...just an idea.

Originally Posted by Baile

Exactly. People need to spend their time meditating upon and understanding that. It would save them a whole lot of fruitless searching and a great deal of angst.

How about instead of telling others how it is, you simply discuss how your own experiences have helped you to see that way. Otherwise it all comes across rather smug and judgmental for those of us searching so fruitlessly and with the "uneaccary angst".

I have no problem with with the pain I have suffered, despite what you claim of others, I see it to of been a necessary path ... I reject the belief of the mothers.

Good luck helping others.

Originally Posted by Honza

Christ Consciousness in the sense of enlightenment is just NOT the same thing as being with Jesus Christ in spirit. I have tried them both and they are COMPLETELY different.

I am LOST! I've been wandering around looking for answers - and the only answer that made any sense in the spiritual world is Jesus' touch. Neither my love, nor my faith in Yahveh, nor I AM come even CLOSE to the strength and touch of Jesus.

Without Jesus I am going to remain lost. So I am going to become Christian again and stop trying to either be God myself or trying to save myself with enlightenment. It just does not work. (for me).

good for you Jan. so glad you have found what works for you.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Gracey

good for you Jan. so glad you have found what works for you.

You missed Honza's later post where he changed his mind again. In my experience sometimes Christians have a hard time letting go of their roots when they want to believe something different, because Christianity is what they were raised with, and so it feels 'wrong' deep down for them to leave. It's definitely a struggle and I sympathize with those going through it.

Personally I don't know why it has to be one or the other. There are all kinds of things out there to explore, and if you feel comfortable thinking for yourself you can even decide on a mixture.

Originally Posted by Seawolf

You missed Honza's later post where he changed his mind again. In my experience sometimes Christians have a hard time letting go of their roots when they want to believe something different, because Christianity is what they were raised with, and so it feels 'wrong' deep down for them to leave. It's definitely a struggle and I sympathize with those going through it.

Personally I don't know why it has to be one or the other. There are all kinds of things out there to explore, and if you feel comfortable thinking for yourself you can even decide on a mixture.

yep, i did miss that.

Still rootin for ya to find your own true core Jan.

[Honza]

Thankyou very much everybody. I'm glad people understand my predicament. One minute I'm this then I'm that......a bit changeable.

BTW I'm glad I made you laugh Miss Hepburn.

[angels eyes]

Originally Posted by Honza

Thanks Angels Eyes. I feel doubt again now. I'm no longer sure that Jesus is the right path this afternoon. Oh well.......

Honza, don't be hard on yourself. It's your journey and if Jesus is meant to be a part of you life, I have no doubt you will eventually see this come to pass.

It took me many, many years to finally feel 'safe'and like I had come 'home'again. For me, well, I am happy. You need to find you way, and it can take time.

Peace be with you.

[Honza]

This is where I am this morning......

The funny thing is that I never was an aetheist as such. I have always believed in God, but I sort of left Christ out of the equation. Even with believing in God, if you leave out Christ you are a bit lost.

I was religious but not Christian. I contemplated Judaism, Paganism, New Ageism, and all manner of possibilities before I started realising that God without Jesus is a dead end street. So as I said I'm coming back! Yipee.

Just need the perseverence to get used to being Christian again.

Do you go to church Honza?

[Honza]

Hi Gracey, no I don't. It is something I'm thinking about.