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Old 06-07-2019, 11:26 AM
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Do yourself a favour and step out of the Spirituality because it's not helping I don't think. It seems as though you're trying to find yourself a box to put what you're going through into, and most likely it's never going to work. You're going through a transformation that's for sure, but labelling it isn't going to help. It's not a DoS so all the DoS bumph in the forum isn't going to help. You're also going through it on a couple of levels, but Spirituality is ill-equipped to deal with it all. Who says you have to give up on materialism? That maybe a great ideology for someone who's going to be a monk in a temple, but is that where you're going? None of today's Spiritual Masters are paupers.

Being honest Spiritual Awakening is not all it's cracked up to be, and what constitutes a Spiritual Awakening is defined by the person using the words. Have your own experiences and drop the labels, 'should-be' and 'shouldn't-be'. Do what you need to do to get through it with your head intact, talk to people who understand from an experiential perspective and not an ideological or theological one.

My head hurts when I view this forum but these words are super important to anyone who might be in a bind - thank you Greenslade for your balanced outlook rather than the carrot chasing that many seem to enjoy.

A dark night of the soul is represented very well in The Matrix - referred to as taking the Red pill.

Whilst we can understand that material things aren't everything, political or religious ideology don't provide answers to every question or that people lie convincingly often we are still "here" existing in this world & are part of it.

Animals in nature are part of daily life without needing to complicate things further but humans really do dissect things to a point whereby it can no longer be healthy.

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Humanity is like a monkey jumping up & down on a tree branch, finding that cracking sound interesting... until the branch breaks.
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Old 07-07-2019, 09:06 AM
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My head hurts when I view this forum but these words are super important to anyone who might be in a bind - thank you Greenslade for your balanced outlook rather than the carrot chasing that many seem to enjoy.

A dark night of the soul is represented very well in The Matrix - referred to as taking the Red pill.

Whilst we can understand that material things aren't everything, political or religious ideology don't provide answers to every question or that people lie convincingly often we are still "here" existing in this world & are part of it.

Animals in nature are part of daily life without needing to complicate things further but humans really do dissect things to a point whereby it can no longer be healthy.

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Humanity is like a monkey jumping up & down on a tree branch, finding that cracking sound interesting... until the branch breaks.
Thank you for that.

I think much of the time there's a romanticising when it comes to Spirituality, and what people often don't realise is that words have power over us. Defining it as the DNotS conjures up images in people's heads and that becomes the reality, with everything that the image conjures up. Really though, most humans go through something similar in their Lives because it's the results of day-to-day living.

Sometimes Spirituality and psychology are the same thing.
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:00 PM
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I realize the particulars of everyone's experience is different and that there are many different ways of processing and consequently proceeding 'in response' to said experiences, but here is a generalization (pertaining to 'the Dark Night of the Soul' experience) which I concocted and presented in my first book, wherein I attempted to suss out 'the Human Condition':
"Fortunately, the very severity of the crises those who are errant bring upon themselves and subject others around them to also serves as a catalyst for positive change in those who have as yet underutilized capacity to acknowledge and constructively relate to the truth. Whether such eventuality is welcomed or not, sooner or later, particularly after repeated or lengthy trial and tribulation, when their strength is depleted, beleaguered individuals experience a state of psychospiritual ‘bankruptcy’, in which the hope of attaining idealization-fantasy fulfillment ‘dies’, and they starkly see that even seeking to compensate themselves for such unfulfillment by means of substitute desire-gratification dooms them to endless effort, if not utter frustration and futility.

They enter a phase, poetically alluded to as ‘the dark night of the soul’, characterized initially by feelings of upset and anger, then despair, followed by sadness, depression and, ultimately, resignation, in which yearning and striving for what they desire, because satisfaction continually eludes them, finally cease. Sense of purpose is lost. What they do or don’t do then matters little to them, if at all. Life seems a cruel joke, if not meaningless. The process continues, generally in waves and spurts, till they fully accept the fact that they cannot have things be the way them want them to be (or not be the way they want them not to be). In the end, truly humbled, they reach the point where they stop being egocentrically willful and demanding, whatever their personal predilection and preference may have been or yet be.

Then, because no longer preoccupied with dreams of idealization-fantasy fulfillment and schemes aimed at attaining the same, they begin to be open to truly savoring and appreciating actualities and possibilities that are inherent in, and so embrace and act to creatively enhance, their and others present condition and circumstance, whatever this happens to be. As a result of becoming disillusioned regarding the possibility of actualizing and enjoying what, because of comparison-based sensation and logic, they previously mentally and emotionally fixated on as ‘ideal’, by default as it were, without specifically intending to, they organically rediscover and reexperience {remember what you life was like when you were 'happy' as a child? you were sometimes at least} as a the beauty and bounteousness of Life as is.

In due course, such rediscovery and reexperience sparks a conversion in one’s outlook and mode of operation. Because one then experientially knows disappointment and dissatisfaction to be idealization-associated blights, one becomes more wary of and less likely to be lured by fantasy-based temptations and, if and when one gets ‘snared’ by them, more quickly frees oneself from such entanglement by reestablishing wholesome relationship with what is in truth. Gradually, more and more often, and each time more fully, recognizing the bounteousness of experience and ongoing opportunity for discovery, development and joyful expression afforded by Life as It is to be a phenomenal boon, one proceeds with an attitude of greater and greater appreciation and consequently love. As the quest for ‘more’ desire-satisfaction then becomes superfluous, one increasingly enjoys and, so, more and more ‘naturally’ acts to enhance developments in Life’s garden, whatever one’s situation and whoever one may be with. Such progression ‘naturally’ culminates in one’s actualizing totally positive modality and flourishing in complete psychospiritual communion with Life processes one is part and parcel of, as all one’s giving and receiving becomes geared to this."
Given our capacity of image-in-ation and consequent ingenuity there are also many ways whereby peeps may subvert and/or side-track (for longer period of time, at least) said process of course.
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:54 PM
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They enter a phase, poetically alluded to as ‘the dark night of the soul’, characterized initially by feelings of upset and anger, then despair, followed by sadness, depression and, ultimately, resignation, in which yearning and striving for what they desire, because satisfaction continually eludes them, finally cease.

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That’s the crux of it in my view. Hence importance of inner cleansing of consciousness in thought, word & deed

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Old 08-07-2019, 04:09 PM
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That’s the crux of it in my view. Hence importance of inner cleansing of consciousness in thought, word & deed.
The 'key' being the words 'they' and 'them' (as in "satisfaction continually eludes them"), meaning 'them' personally as 'opposed' to transpersonally! Jesus' words "And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me." (John 8) come to mind in this regard.
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