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Old 19-07-2017, 05:55 AM
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I say Self, but you say Oneness. Others might say Source. Others might just call it That.
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We use words here and words formally have a meaning. The words you mention do not have the same meaning.
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Old 19-07-2017, 08:39 AM
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How can self be oneness ?
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Old 19-07-2017, 10:04 AM
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How can self be oneness ?
Since all phenonema are empty of true existence they are 'one' in the context of this emptiness. Just as a blue car and a blue shirt are 'one' in the context of being blue.
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Old 19-07-2017, 11:41 AM
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Since all phenonema are empty of true existence they are 'one' in the context of this emptiness. Just as a blue car and a blue shirt are 'one' in the context of being blue.


Yes but I can't drive a shirt
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Old 19-07-2017, 12:21 PM
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We use words here and words formally have a meaning. The words you mention do not have the same meaning.

No word can capture Nonduality...not even Oneness. For every term has it's flaw and traps due to words being inherently dualistic (there are things that are it and are not it...to give meaning to the word). When talking about Nonduality, you can not use words in this way...because no dualistic word can convey Nonduality. At best, they can be used as pointers.
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How can self be oneness ?

How can there be anything other than Self/Oneness?

There is only the ocean...whether or not waves claim individuality.
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Old 19-07-2017, 12:58 PM
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How can there be anything other than Self/Oneness?

There is only the ocean...whether or not waves claim individuality.


Yes there can be something.... not-self.
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Yes there can be something.... not-self.

Then that is duality...this is a nonduality forum topic, so you might be in the wrong place.
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Old 20-07-2017, 01:26 AM
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No word can capture Nonduality...not even Oneness. For every term has it's flaw and traps due to words being inherently dualistic (there are things that are it and are not it...to give meaning to the word). When talking about Nonduality, you can not use words in this way...because no dualistic word can convey Nonduality. At best, they can be used as pointers.

The word Oneness has a meaning. From a non dual perspective it is used to describe a state of no difference or separation despite the very convincing solid looking appearance of difference.
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Yes but I can't drive a shirt
That is why I said a blue car and a blue shirt are 'one' in the context of being blue. I did not say they're 'one' in the context of providing the function of driving.
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