Being in "The Now"

[no1wakesup]

The now which is claimed by most on the spiritual journey is not the now at all but more like a glimpse. Much like the feeling of the mist from the ocean but not the ocean itself. So this brief sensation is now labeled the now and serves as another mispercieved concept the mind can further intelectualize and simply continue to play with. If your measuring it or there is an experiencer claiming the experience of the now, that's not the now but only more time and a continuation of the story.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

The now which is claimed by most on the spiritual journey is not the now at all but more like a glimpse. Much like the feeling of the mist from the ocean but not the ocean itself. So this brief sensation is now labeled the now and serves as another mispercieved concept the mind can further intelectualize and simply continue to play with. If your measuring it or there is an experiencer claiming the experience of the now, that's not the now but only more time and a continuation of the story.

Intellectualising gets such a bad press in some circles by those who profess a beleive in Oneness as all there is. Oneness as both ceryainly has a sens of humour:)

[sentient]

I would wish to bring a mythological view into this discussion and tell a story about the "World Pole", where time and timelessness, essence and creation meet.
It is an awareness shift where time suddenly stops, yet seeing/witnessing movement, you realize you are in time as well.

Joseph Campbell had expressed this beautifully:

The center of the world is the axis mundi, the central point, the pole around which all revolves. The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Movement is time, but stillness is eternity. Realizing how this moment of your life is actually a moment of eternity, and experiencing the eternal aspect of what you’re doing in temporal sense …. this is the mythological experience.

In “mythological experience” the past, the presence and the future, and all phenomenal existence are but a "display" or "unfoldment" of the Source Dimension beyond time.

[Nature Grows]

Originally Posted by Iamit

The beauty of hereness or The Now as some famously call it, is that it is impossible not to be in the now if the now is the only reality. Thinking or having feelings about the past or future happen in the now.

I have pritty much said those exact words before.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Intellectualising gets such a bad press in some circles by those who profess a beleive in Oneness as all there is. Oneness as both ceryainly has a sens of humour:)

Its not really bad press, just further misperception. As noted above, a mythological experience which usually prevails and hence has more experience to accumalate. So oneness, as a believable quality, is also part of that myth.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Its not really bad press, just further misperception. As noted above, a mythological experience which usually prevails and hence has more experience to accumalate. So oneness, as a believable quality, is also part of that myth.

As soon as you start separating things out as not Oneness manifest, the sense of nonduality is lost. Only when all and I mean ALL, including all aspects of self and what we see around us, is gathered into the fold of Oneness manifest, is the sense of nonduality completed and consolidated.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

As soon as you start separating things out as not Oneness manifest, the sense of nonduality is lost. Only when all and I mean ALL, including all aspects of self and what we see around us, is gathered into the fold of Oneness manifest, is the sense of nonduality completed and consolidated.

From the perspective of a seperate self, cloked in identity and separation, its simply more meaningless belief. More story. That perspective can only see that which will confirm and allow to continue ones own personal and safe experience. The one who is reaching that conclusion has simpy added more to itself and identifying all other things, material and immaterial, as oneness with the universe. Thats not it... and is not realized until separation is no longer their. There is no you at all. Until that is realized there will continue to be more aersenal (knowledge) for the mind to believe in and so will keep mistaking a fully conceptual act for being IT.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

From the perspective of a seperate self, cloked in identity and separation, its simply more meaningless belief. More story. That perspective can only see that which will confirm and allow to continue ones own personal and safe experience. The one who is reaching that conclusion has simpy added more to itself and identifying all other things, material and immaterial, as oneness with the universe. Thats not it... and is not realized until separation is no longer their. There is no you at all. Until that is realized there will continue to be more aersenal (knowledge) for the mind to believe in and so will keep mistaking a fully conceptual act for being IT.

All of that is already Oneness manifest. It is not even a problem that you dont include all of that as already Oneness manifest for it is already Oneness not including it! Absolutely nothing needs to change for complete connection to Oneness but if you want to feel that, all must be included so there are no longer those exceptions for you.,

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

All of that is already Oneness manifest. It is not even a problem that you dont include all of that as already Oneness manifest for it is already Oneness not including it! Absolutely nothing needs to change for complete connection to Oneness but if you want to feel that, all must be included so there are no longer those exceptions for you.,

Of course its already oneness. All from the same source. Yet, if it comes from a conceptual conclusion, something one in separation can agree, measure or believe in, then one only continues to thinks he or she knows. Most come to this as further belief...thinking and further maintaining just another illusion, another defined idea to hold on to. ALL the books you have read, all the practices, meditations you have done and teachings you have completed are utterly meaningless, once its realized. None of it has anything to do with what is as a primary function percieved by a separate position still their. It is all for the ego conviniently disguised as one of countless spiritual labels and modalities. Its as elementary as someone speaking volumes about what it is to skydive yet never had jumped off an airplane.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Of course its already oneness. All from the same source. Yet, if it comes from a conceptual conclusion, something one in separation can agree, measure or believe in, then one only continues to thinks he or she knows. Most come to this as further belief...thinking and further maintaining just another illusion, another defined idea to hold on to. ALL the books you have read, all the practices, meditations you have done and teachings you have completed are utterly meaningless, once its realized. None of it has anything to do with what is as a primary function percieved by a separate position still their. It is all for the ego conviniently disguised as one of countless spiritual labels and modalities. Its as elementary as someone speaking volumes about what it is to skydive yet never had jumped off an airplane.

It is not he or she who thinks but Oneness! You say of course that all is already Oneness and then add a Yet or a But. Oneness is playing with itself:) Stop adding that Yet or But and your feeling of separation about those concerns will be no more. There is of course already no separation going on at all because it is already Oneness arising as those concerns. Include those concerns as Oneness arising and there is no longer any distance to be covered between them and the destination:)