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Old 23-01-2015, 10:19 AM
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Yes that's a nice metaphor, it does make much more sense than say the Christians hell concept. No I don't have a belief of souls coming from the big bang and settling into our bodies. We are everything there is, as a human animal we are just simple part of the cosmos creation, things are created and return back to the source of creation and on and on it goes, and it can be a lot of fun.

The universe is much more complex than a single big bang. There are many coexisting dimensions. Souls can travel from one particular universe to another when one universe dies in cold death. eternal souls go this route.
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Old 23-01-2015, 10:30 AM
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Hell, the pit of hell, Hades, Purgatory and the like are all analogous and derived from a place outside ancient Jerusalem known in the Hebrew scripture as "Gehenna", aka: the Valley of the Son of Hinnom. According to these Scripture(s) the site was initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and other Canaanite gods, including Moloch conducted sacrifice of their children by fire. This area was also where human refuse was burned. Thereafter -- in time this area was deemed to be cursed (probably diseased is more accurate) and eventually over the ages religious ideology mandated by Jewish, Christian and Islamic (Abrahamic Traditions) to be the destination of the wicked.

Today modern Abrahamic traditions believe this placed called "Hell" symbolizes eternal destruction with no hope of resurrection, and "Gehenna" also known as "Jahannam" specifically in the Qu'ran is the same "lake of fire" mentioned in the Book of Revelation (20:14). Noteworthy to this discussion is the fact that "Hell" is not actually a word found in Jewish, Christian or Islamic scripture with an exception to King James Version (KJV) composed between 1604 and 1611.

While I respect the idea that you believe there is a chance you may go to this metonym called Hell, this place for me is nothing more than an illusion an individual decides to freely manifest within themselves while standing in judgement of others.

Your history lesson is very good. However from a reincarnation viewpoint some souls are born and others perish. Judaism has always looked at a physical life. The resurrection of the body is merely a physical happening. My hell is not eternal torment like the christian viewpoint. It is a place where souls are destroyed and returned to their collective origins. In my dreams and visions I was shown the center of the earth from whence many came. However my next life is 30,000 light years from now according to my spiritual contacts.
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Old 23-01-2015, 10:41 AM
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Ironically I stayed up last night with bad emotions, relating earth life to hell. My thinking was if all you experience was tortuous hell all the time, you would become static to it and it would not feel intense, BUT if you have some joy for a time and then life throws ya some hell like situations...well then the pain is all the more for knowing the joy.

I have studied the worlds cultural hells in the past. One thing I noticed was it was either created from the weather or cultural practices.

I like and appreciate your creative thinking. You got me thinking and reflecting on a different angle now.

Life is a mixture of happiness and sadness. You cannot have one without the other. From my dreams and visions, there are higher earths and lower earths.This is an average earth.If we move up we will find greater happiness and less sadness. If we move down we will find more sadness and less happiness. Hell is merely the total destruction of the soul for the most horrible of people.
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Old 23-01-2015, 05:25 PM
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Life is a mixture of happiness and sadness. You cannot have one without the other. From my dreams and visions, there are higher earths and lower earths.This is an average earth.If we move up we will find greater happiness and less sadness. If we move down we will find more sadness and less happiness. Hell is merely the total destruction of the soul for the most horrible of people.

I have had dreams too of the pits of hell.

In one dream in particular, I have seen demons chained to wall inside the earth. I have seen them released to do destruction. Then after I wrote that particular dream down. I watched it come to pass months later. Rudoulph Stiener writes about the earths energies. He says the dopplegangers stem from the earth and that the energy is of Ahriman....who is the first created evil entity in monotheism.
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Old 23-01-2015, 08:42 PM
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As a Jewish person I never believed in the pit of hell until 1981 when I was 42 years old. Years later I dreamed of being escorted by a spirit into the pit so that I would know what it was.
Now in my latest manuscript "Cosmic Reincarnation" I have come to fully understand why many of us end up in this horrible pit. Some of us came from other Earths and basically have eternal souls. Many of us came from the animals and have evolved souls.
The origin of evolved man is the pit of hell at the center of this Earth. We came from hell and many will return to hell. The origin of life upon this Earth is a form of metal eating bacteria. Once you leave the hottest part of the center of this Earth you will find this type of bacteria. The soul of this bacteria is a collective soul. It is a soul in chaos.
As we move outward the bacteria changes to more known forms.The process converts bacteria into various life forms that turn into plant and animal. As we move upward the driving spiritual force produce early man with a collective soul. Our soul exists both within us and outward to the center of the galaxy. Even today many people still have collective tribal souls. The progress is toward individual souls.From animal souls we get human souls.
Thus evolved man came from hell and will return to hell unless saved by the various religions of man. Most religions are strictly reincarnation religions. All they can do is return their followers back to life upon this Earth or similar Earths. They do prevent the followers from falling into the pit of hell if their karma is acceptable to a computer type spiritual processor which the God of the Universe created to process our souls.
Judaism and the extended Judaism or Christianity is a pathway to higher Earths. The dreams of other religions are merely dreams. The only pathway is through the chosen people who define higher salvation for both Jew and Gentile.

Well, that's a very interesting perspective on things jerry. However, we have alignment between spiritual and science today. Part of it I have in my profile quote.
We can raise our focus.

For one, let's dispense of "Reincarnation" now, since it pertains to the material manifestation,
in linear "Space/Time".
Shouldn't we?
What is the foundation and understructure of the material manifestation? "The World".

Today, we understand it has to do with "Frequencies". Yes?
What is involved with this, we know since Einstein?

"The Field". It is God's domain, jerry.
The Creator.
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Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale

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Old 23-01-2015, 09:20 PM
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Well, that's a very interesting perspective on things jerry. However, we have alignment between spiritual and science today. Part of it I have in my profile quote.
We can raise our focus.

For one, let's dispense of "Reincarnation" now, since it pertains to the material manifestation,
in linear "Space/Time".
Shouldn't we?
What is the foundation and understructure of the material manifestation? "The World".

Today, we understand it has to do with "Frequencies". Yes?
What is involved with this, we know since Einstein?

"The Field". It is God's domain, jerry.
The Creator.

There are several solutions to God and the Universe. It could be argued that all we see and measure exists in the mind of God. However the mind of God is quite complex and consists of a spectrum of light speeds with Godself at infinite light speed.
However from my spiritual encounters, God evolved out of chaos. The total universe is God at the top and chaos at the bottom. We exist in the middle. It is unfortunate that people like to believe that God is all knowing and all powerful. In truth God can return to chaos and death only to be reborn much later on.
The imaginary beliefs in an all mighty God has led many men to believe things similar to what you believe. These are imaginary beliefs. God depends upon man and the lower levels of existence for God's survival.
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Old 23-01-2015, 09:25 PM
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According to my encounters with the spiritual world, the structure of the universe is dot-waves. A dot-wave appears at a focal point and extends outward to the radius of the universe. This causes the material world to appear physical, yet there is nothing inside. We appear physical but if you looked inside us you would find nothing at all.
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Old 24-01-2015, 02:28 AM
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Re: Morpheus "We can raise our focus."
Yes I agree, and perhaps it's better that we do? What the heck do we have to get interested in the pit of Hell for? Aren't there other more creative thought-processes we can become interested in?
When we pass from this world we will be in a thought-responsive environment. There we will create our environment by thought.
Of course the 'pit of Hell' we will eventually find to have been an illusion created by thought, which has the potential to become a consensus reality in the Inner Worlds...
I have seen my own version. Age 9 was my first introduction to that possibility, and occasionally afterwards. It is indescribable.
Every single breath I take will be to focus my thought and desire away from that, in preparation for re-entering the Astral Worlds, where a thought becomes an environment.
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Old 24-01-2015, 09:46 PM
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The universe is much more complex than a single big bang. There are many coexisting dimensions. Souls can travel from one particular universe to another when one universe dies in cold death. eternal souls go this route.
That might be true but it certainly cannot be proven, so I cannot comment on it.
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Old 25-01-2015, 12:40 AM
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That might be true but it certainly cannot be proven, so I cannot comment on it.

When we deal with the spiritual world things in general cannot be proven but they can be understood. Thus I deal with a theory of God and the Universe for those who like to look at the possible.
This helps those who chose to believe in God a logical basic for God.
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