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Old 13-01-2017, 07:05 PM
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Something can not exist and not exist at the same time.
If you perceive something, then by definition it exists. You can not perceive something that does not exist.
I said there are different modes of consciousness and what seems to exist in one mode, does not necessarily exist in another mode.
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Old 13-01-2017, 07:13 PM
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I believe the phrase you are all looking for is: 'not a part of my reality'.

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Old 13-01-2017, 07:59 PM
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This seems to be the crux of your observation. And according to some esoteric streams of philosophy, you are correct. The lower self (ego) has a kind of independent life of its own, separate from the higher self (I). That same esoteric literature speaks of how that ego activity creates lower astral disturbances (beings and entities), thus the need to transform that ego activity via higher self consciousness. So the lower self does have a kind of awareness and independant power of its own, yes. The thing to keep in mind though: this duality only exists from a human material-analytical perspective. We incarnate to experience this duality, it's critical to the soul-spirit learning process.

Can you name some (or one) of those streams of philosophy? It sounds interesting.
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Old 13-01-2017, 10:54 PM
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I believe the phrase you are all looking for is: 'not a part of my reality'.
My linguistic expression is already perfectly appropriate. There is only one reality. What some seem to confuse is the meaning of 'reality' and the meaning of 'truth'.
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Old 13-01-2017, 11:49 PM
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My linguistic expression is already perfectly appropriate. There is only one reality. What some seem to confuse is the meaning of 'reality' and the meaning of 'truth'.

Ok, here we go again.. It seems we first need to define the word 'reality'.
Because I like to think there are as many realities as there are people on Earth. Hence the difficulty to know the truth.
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Old 13-01-2017, 11:56 PM
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Ok, here we go again.. It seems we first need to define the word 'reality'.
Quite simple: Reality is the emptiness of truths.

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Because I like to think there are as many realities as there are people on Earth. Hence the difficulty to know the truth.
Since there is no truth in reality people may claim countless truths.
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Old 14-01-2017, 12:03 AM
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Quite simple: Reality is the emptiness of truths.


Since there is no truth in reality people may claim countless truths.

Is that true?
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Old 14-01-2017, 12:12 AM
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the sentence which contains what i perceive as an implication is this one:
"If everyone has a different perception, it means that what your higher self
knows to be true and that what your corporeal self knows to be true, are
both different from each other. "
the structure of that sentence, as i see things, begins with the idea that
perceptions are different and then proceeds to declare that knowledge of
truth is therefore different. the implication is that knowledge of truth is
based upon perceptions.
i wonder what's the point you are trying to make with this thread.
my inclination is to inform people of their empowerment, and i don't
speak of limitations on our potential as if they are real and established fact.
i also advocate for the idea of there being no separation of being.

peace to you,
H:O:R:A:C:E

the problem as I see it is that this lower body (don't know about the higher one) seems to perceive in terms of the difference between one thing and another instead of perceiving absolutes. So it is very hard to get to anything resembling 'an absolute real truth' and this seems by design.
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Old 14-01-2017, 12:28 AM
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Is that true?
Inappropriate question.
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Old 14-01-2017, 12:43 AM
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the problem as I see it is that this lower body (don't know about the higher one) seems to perceive in terms of the difference between one thing and another instead of perceiving absolutes. So it is very hard to get to anything resembling 'an absolute real truth' and this seems by design.
i'm not following your line of thought here.
the "lower body" has perceptive ability.
the senses provide information in the form observations.
whatever "meaning" is determined from those observations
is a product of the mind.
contrasts may indeed be important for the mind to recognize
that our senses are actually functioning (if the entirety of
our visual information was "gray", it might be discounted as
meaningless and non-functional).

'the problem' you've described seems to be something created
by the mind. it doesn't have basis in fact. the mind which
busies itself with doubts and questions isn't prepared to
accept assurance and answers. there is a time for doubting
and questioning, but the purpose for that isn't to perpetuate
itself... it is to arrive (once again) at a place of knowing.
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