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Old 25-12-2016, 02:55 PM
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Yes I can, because the word "non-duality" may be a concept, but me sharing of my experience of what I call non-duality is not.
Of course you can use language as you like.
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:02 PM
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Of course you can use language as you like.
"Nothing in the universe is what we call it here on Earth."
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:04 PM
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I'd say one may apply language rationally, i.e. consistently, or irrationally, i.e. inconsistently ... here on earth, among humans
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:07 PM
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I'd say one may apply language rationally or irrationally
I perceive God, or the universe, as transcending reason or rationality. To me God is unreasonable; that is to say beyond human reasoning.
What humans call "rational" or "irrational" depends on perspectives and personal opinions.
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:13 PM
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Rationality is divine.
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:16 PM
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Rationality is divine.
Rationality is rationality, and divine is divine.
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:25 PM
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Rationality is rationality and divine is divine.
This is not wrong and does not contradict that rationality is divine. Why?
Because what is divine is not necessarily rationality.
However what is rationality is necessarily divine.
So 'rationality' and 'divine' are not mutually inclusive.
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:33 PM
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This is not wrong and does not contradict that rationality is divine. Why?
Because what is divine is not necessarily rationality.
However what is rationality is necessarily divine.
So 'rationality' and 'divine' are not mutually inclusive.
There are those who think it is rational to kill people; one person's freedom fighter (rational) is another persons' terrorist (irrational).
Rationality is often a rationalization, and rationalizations are often ego defense mechanisms. A lot of people do things on impulse, without
a rationale, and then rationalize what they did later. In my opinion rationality belongs to the human mind and not the divine spirit. But that's
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Old 25-12-2016, 03:39 PM
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Merry Christmas to you Ground. It's after 7:am here and I need to get away from this computer. God's Speed my friend.
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Old 25-12-2016, 04:06 PM
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There are those who think it is rational to kill people; one person's freedom fighter (rational) is another persons' terrorist (irrational).
Now you are changing the context. Of course there are numerous instances of rationality since there are numerous goals. One instance of rationality is always linked to one goal or one set of goals.
The original context was language and its use. Rational use of language implies that the goal is that language is used consistently. One aspect of linguistic consistency is that a designator X excludes all designators non-X, i.e. an object is identified through excluding what it is not.
So this is the philosophical analytical approach which according to my experience entails clarity and removes confusion. Of course you are free to use language as you like. However at some point our communication necessarily becomes impossible since we are applying different rules or standards to the words we are using.

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Rationality is often a rationalization, and rationalizations are often ego defense mechanisms. A lot of people do things on impulse, without
a rationale, and then rationalize what they did later.
No, here you are confusing 'rationality' and 'rationalization'. At the beginning of any instance of rationality there is necessarily 'setting the goal'. Once the goal is set it is determined what is considered to be rationality and what is not to be considered rationality.


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In my opinion rationality belongs to the human mind and not the divine spirit. But that's just my opinion.
you are coming from a different direction, i.e. your concept to the word 'divine' is obviously different from mine.

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