Does anyone believe magick is NOT the same as LOA?

[noxlumina]

And in general, that New Age and occult are two different "currents"?

Let's talk.

[Miss Hepburn]

I say the words magic or magical...but know that nothing is
really magic...nor is LOA.

There is a 'way of the Universe' or a formula to this place...or
I dunno...a system that is unseen and not commonly known...
not until the 19-21c at least...more and more anyway...

Thousands of years ago only a few masters were privy to what I call Reality...
that nothing is what it seems...
when you know what Reality is...
you learn how to 'manage' it...not control it exactly...but more...
'How It Works"...how your mind effects the external...what ''seems'' to be external, anyway..haha!

I never address New Age anything, because we all know there
is nothing new under the Sun....
just diff labels....diff flavors of the same thing.

Originally Posted by noxlumina

And in general, that New Age and occult are two different "currents"?

Let's talk.

As is so often the case, there are grey areas.

It also depends on how you define "new age". If you mean populist spirituality which is about making people feel better, countering nihilism, giving people ways to believe they are accruing more of what they want then, yes, they are different. Magick is far more practical in handling energies to effect transformations. Its disciplines and practices are active rather than passive. Dealing with the dark side uses entirely different approaches and yields (usually) far more productive results. The Great Work is ultimately about re-uniting with the cosmos, not the province of LOA which, as I see it, is earthbound.

(Of course, visualising is so important to magick and in this it crosses paths with LOA.)

Just my view.
...

[CrystalSong]

Like everything it depends how we define things. LOA is almost being at a particular vibration to attract a similar vibration to you. Like attracts Like.

Magic with a C or K, ending maybe different from each other, I have no idea really.
I suspect they are just ways of using tools to set an Intention and hold a focus, which is all just ways to effect the sentient programmable energy around us. The double slot experiment gave us a new mental construct for some aspects of the Unseen, it of course fell short in comprehending what all can be done, but not everyone missed it.
But the point is we don't have to have elaborate rituals to encourage the flow of the Universe to ease our way, unless we want elaborate rituals :)

There seems to be a governing rule set to the substructure of the Universe and once that is understood any tool set or no tool sets will work equally well.
Once one has the break through into truly Experiencing it, once one 'gets' it then one knows how to FLOW with it and adjust the flow a bit to provide ease to one, a certain grace comes into existence and 'bad things' sort of don't happen anymore.
One: because one tends to not attract them anymore and (call it LOA)
Two: because one usually has a 'head-up' they have become probable and (psychic powers)
three: because one no longer goes into reaction about them when they do happen and instead sees the bigger picture of why it was needed and that removes any potential for a negative experience out of it. (Love replaced fear as the individuals primary operating system)

Also everything kind of blends into one thing -so what what once seemed different mental constructs and approaches to accomplish things now is different expressions of the same thing.
Duality diminishes and strict lines smudge away.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

There seems to be a governing rule set to the substructure of the Universe...

Also everything kind of blends into one thing -so what what once seemed different mental constructs
and approaches to accomplish things now are different expressions of the same thing.
Duality diminishes and strict lines smudge away.

Hi Sista,

That first sentence is shades of duality...be careful...everything is One.

But Then, you complete the play (basketball talk)....you pick up the ball
and score.

[CrystalSong]

Well yes Miz H, but didn't want to get too complicated.... 'like you Can Do Anything, but you won't because everything is You and you won't hurt you, because you are Love Itself'.

So at least for me there are rule sets.

Maybe I should have said that. lol

But there does seem to be rules - like energy can't be diminished just shifted to another area.

[Sojourner2013]

Originally Posted by noxlumina

And in general, that New Age and occult are two different "currents"?

Let's talk.

Hi Noxlumina! I just thought it's an intriguing question and want to throw my two cents in!
I am a full-blooded Native American (Seneca tribe of the Iroquois--mainly New York State area) and my great-uncle ( he's passed away 20 yrs ago, but he was a typical "wise old Indian", knew all the old sacred Indian songs, blessings, medicinal herbs, etc.,--not too many of those types left around here) used to talk about "Orenda". It's the life-force that connects everyone and everything. And when you are balanced and can connect with this life-force, you are well on your way of "being on your path" (basically, fulfilling your life purpose). The energy is profound and things go your way effortlessly, if you can connect with this life-force. To give you an amusing example of a current analogy of "Orenda", think about that movie FINDING NEMO. If not, watch it. good movie (my 6 y.o. loves it!). In the movie, Marlin (father) and Dora (friend) are seeking the EAC (East Australian Current) which carries the sea life directly and quickly to various parts of the ocean--kind of like an escalator beneath the sea. This is Orenda. Is the EAC magick? to some--yes,to others--no. Scientists would refute that it is, I'm guessing. The Iroquois didn't look at Orenda as magick or supernatural, it just indicated that you were a balanced, wise individual who had learned to access that energy. I had a powerful dream many years ago that showed me that Tiger Woods had actually tapped into Orenda. This is when he was at the top of his golf game. Then two years later, his life began to succumb to "scandal". It wasn't that the Orenda left him, he had left the Orenda.
So, yes and no, LOA and magick could be one and the same, it just depends upon the person's perspective and balance. I employ the LOA often and run a small meditation group in which we harvest our energy to assist with our affirmations. I don't consider it magick, but I do consider it a more powerful approach to the universal energy.