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Old 21-08-2018, 11:32 AM
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I think that anyone who denies that the New Age movement is not primarily about the self and self love is deluding themselves. Almost all of the New Age followers aim to reach enlightenment - that is their goal. To reach enlightenment ones needs to focus upon ones own self.
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Old 21-08-2018, 12:48 PM
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Well that's a hard one given how flawed the bible appears. But I personally don't think it's possible to love everyone, even if you already love yourself. But that's just me though, because I've dealt with people claiming to be full of love and 'spiritually advanced' yet in the end they proved to be toxic.
I've encountered many of the same people tryed to keep an open loving heart but learned the hard way to trust my gut feeling and to not second guess it. You do have to protect yourself at times.
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Old 21-08-2018, 03:28 PM
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I've encountered many of the same people tryed to keep an open loving heart but learned the hard way to trust my gut feeling and to not second guess it. You do have to protect yourself at times.

Based on what I have learned: the more someone claims to be enlightened, full of love and in close proximity with certain angels etc the more I distrust them. People are so full of themselves nowadays and this forum ain't no exception. As for me, I may be far from perfect but at least I am straightforward and honest...
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Old 21-08-2018, 03:45 PM
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Based on what I have learned: the more someone claims to be enlightened, full of love and in close proximity with certain angels etc the more I distrust them. People are so full of themselves nowadays and this forum ain't no exception. As for me, I may be far from perfect but at least I am straightforward and honest...
I respect ANYONE who is honest weather I like what they say or not. I know what you mean.
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Old 21-08-2018, 03:49 PM
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I like this one. It says a lot
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Old 25-08-2018, 01:35 AM
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Christ's teachings go beyond self love, as does that of the Old Testament. The complete Bible does not teach that self love is the answer; which is what the Hindus and New Age would have us believe.

Self love really is the dark side of love. It is love but it is very self absorbed and not necessarily virtuous or ethical. The Bible is mainly about whole love which Christ summed up as love of self, others and God. NOT just the flaming self.

Get over yourselves! So what you are God, but are not we all. God is God too.


To Honza.

Where you got this idea that Old Testament teaches “self love”? Do you ever read Old Testament? The Love, as Jesus pronounced and teaches actually does come from the Old Testament.

Leviticus 19.18.34
18."You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
34.The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you, you shall love the alien as yourself, you were aliens in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your GOD."

(Verses 18 and 34. Love your neighbor, alien, stranger, and love one another: (Leviticus 19.18.34) (Deuteronomy 10.19) (Proverbs 25..21-22) (Matthew 5.43-44, 19.19, 22.39) (Mark 12.31.33) (Luke 10.27-28) (John 13.34, 15.12-13) (Romans 13.9-10) (Galatians 5.14) (James 2.8) (1John 3.10-11, 4.7-8.11.21) (2John 1.5)


Do you know that everything that Jesus ever taught, said, quoted, and teach, all of it, to the last word, came from the Old Testament?

It seems to me that you still do not discover and understand that the Biblical Love is. The Biblical Love is the Spiritual Love, first for GOD, and then for all humanity. Love is the self-sacrificial entity, and always requires self-sacrifice.

Psalm of David 145. 20
20.The Lord watches over all who love Him, but all the wicked He will destroy.

Proverbs 10.12
12.Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offences.

Matthew 10.37-38
37."Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38.And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me." (Matthew 10.37-38, 16.24) (Mark 8.34) (Luke 9.23, 14.26-27.33)

John 15.13
13.No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
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Old 25-08-2018, 09:54 AM
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Where you got this idea that Old Testament teaches “self love”?

Did you actually read my post? I said the complete Bible does NOT teach only self love.
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Old 26-08-2018, 01:46 AM
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Christ's teachings go beyond self love, as does that of the Old Testament. The complete Bible does not teach that self love is the answer; which is what the Hindus and New Age would have us believe.

Self love really is the dark side of love. It is love but it is very self absorbed and not necessarily virtuous or ethical. The Bible is mainly about whole love which Christ summed up as love of self, others and God. NOT just the flaming self.

Get over yourselves! So what you are God, but are not we all. God is God too.

Hey Honza,
Any new age teaching that's in accord with, say, eastern spirituality would agree with you. They don't teach self love but destruction of the ego sometimes going further than Christ did who emphasised re-union with God is the path to the true self. I think the self love you speak of comes from our materialistic culture rather than anything inherently new age
I agree some of it is way off base and dangerous and wacky. but this is equally true for Christianity if we are honest
I agree with your attack on self love just but the idea of being God is not a default state but something that has to be attained by really walking the spiritual path and its not something like working at macdonalds means we are God.
so you're right about that just its coming from the world around in all directions
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Old 17-09-2018, 11:45 PM
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he, said it or and spoke
out words so real, my
broth

his people were made
uplift, then, and there

were no better, about a
jew, I really like to agree.

why is christ defensive,
so he can hit my evil on
my head.
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Old 23-09-2018, 05:38 AM
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Christ's teachings go beyond self love, as does that of the Old Testament. The complete Bible does not teach that self love is the answer; which is what the Hindus and New Age would have us believe.

Self love really is the dark side of love. It is love but it is very self absorbed and not necessarily virtuous or ethical. The Bible is mainly about whole love which Christ summed up as love of self, others and God. NOT just the flaming self.

Get over yourselves! So what you are God, but are not we all. God is God too.

Honza, I think you may be confusing self love with selfishness. They are two entirely different qualities. Actually, Christ DID go around teaching self love because he said in the New Testament, "Love your neighbor AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF." Therefore, the Hindus and New Age people are saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING that Jesus said.
Your own self craves love as much as everyone else does, so it is essential to give love to oneself as well as to other people. Besides, it is impossible to love others sufficiently if love for one's self is lacking.

It's true what you say that the Bible is about whole love, in other words, a balance of self love, love of others and love of God. Therefore, I do not understand why you call self love "the dark side of love." It is only dark when it becomes selfishness, where love for God and others is absent, creating an unbalanced person.
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