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28-03-2011, 05:23 PM
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The Catholic Church is a mixure of Christian and pagan beliefs. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire many pagans joined the church because of the material advantages they would get, but they weren't really converted and so they brought many of their pagan beliefs into the church.
If you want to find out which parts of Catholic teaching are really Christian you must compare them with what the Bible teaches. Any doctrine that isn't based on the Bible is false.
Here are two good sites that can help you understand what the Bible teaches:
http://christianity.co.nz/
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28-03-2011, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by theophilus
any doctrine that isn't based on the Bible is false
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this is a common belief, but imho, there are some issues with going all in, on it.
why is the Book of Enoch left out?
Because the data and information it provides did not match up to the lies someone wanted to tell. Who decided to take out The Book of Enoch. It should be the first book in the Bible.
why are the letters from Paul left in?
Paul never met Jesus and never was taught any thing from Jesus. How can his letters be important if every thing he taught came from a vision. Was the vision from Satan??? Why did James shun Paul and not let Paul meet Jesus. It was Peter, that said Paul's letters will confuse people. Who decided to put Paul's letters in the Bible??? |
28-03-2011, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
this is a common belief, but imho, there are some issues with going all in, on it.
why is the Book of Enoch left out?
Because the data and information it provides did not match up to the lies someone wanted to tell. Who decided to take out The Book of Enoch. It should be the first book in the Bible.
why are the letters from Paul left in?
Paul never met Jesus and never was taught any thing from Jesus. How can his letters be important if every thing he taught came from a vision. Was the vision from Satan??? Why did James shun Paul and not let Paul meet Jesus. It was Peter, that said Paul's letters will confuse people. Who decided to put Paul's letters in the Bible???
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Jesus was crucified 30 some years before Saul of Tarsus had his vision and converted...Constantinople was the first Roman emperor to accept Christianity as the state religion, and he had the Council of Nicea to decide which books would remain in the bible or be cast out...
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Rumi
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28-03-2011, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
Constantinople was the first Roman emperor to accept Christianity as the state religion, and he had the Council of Nicea to decide which books would remain in the bible or be cast out...
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So the Bible is based on Constantinople and his group of people. They were not freindly people.
Why then is it called Holy??? |
28-03-2011, 07:56 PM
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I didnt see the main difference.... christianity was born from catholicism
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28-03-2011, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
Jesus was crucified 30 some years before Saul of Tarsus had his vision and converted......
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How did Jesus send James to meet with Paul after Paul had his vision? |
30-03-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
why are the letters from Paul left in?
Paul never met Jesus and never was taught any thing from Jesus. How can his letters be important if every thing he taught came from a vision. Was the vision from Satan???
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The other apostles accepted Paul and one of them. Peter said that his letters were to be accepted as scripture. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2 Peter 3:16 ESV)
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Why did James shun Paul and not let Paul meet Jesus.
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When did he do this? |
30-03-2011, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
So the Bible is based on Constantinople and his group of people. They were not freindly people.
Why then is it called Holy???
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because the Emperor of Rome decided so...he had converted to christianity, and sought to use religion as a tool to hold the empire together...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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30-03-2011, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by theophilus
The other apostles accepted Paul.
Peter said that his letters were to be accepted as scripture. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2 Peter 3:16 ESV)
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only according to Paul, imo the apostles did not accept him.
Peter warned people that Paul's letter's are hard to understand and they will be twisted. So why read them in the first place. Paul's letters have been twisted by the churches so bad that they are the opposite of what James wrote. |
30-03-2011, 07:58 PM
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I began attending an Episcopal church that like Christians reject the papacy. It did however remind me of the Catholic church in that it is very ceremonial and ritualistic, church govt, ect., there's often a misconception though that the Church shares the wealth of the Catholics or at least so they told us.
I couldn't come to terms with the Episcopal church (allowing gays to serve as leaders and supporting gay marriage). It seems that I am not the only one that thinks it wrong of the church, the Episcopal church has received much criticism by way outside of America, many are "openly" expressing themselves and wondering if whether they (the Episcopal church) even believe the scriptures that they preach.
Maybe these kind of conflicts (not supported by the word of God) stand between the Catholics and the Christians too.
Last edited by Shim : 30-03-2011 at 09:04 PM.
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