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05-10-2016, 09:03 AM
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Guide
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The need for suffering?
I briefly studied Buddhism in school and found many Buddhist principles that i was drawn to. The one point I didn't fully comprehend is the need to suffer. Would you say that you have to have some form of suffering even if it were only a result of deprivation of something good? If so, can you explain why. I mean would it really be impossible to live a Buddhist life without suffering?
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05-10-2016, 10:21 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Jared.L
I briefly studied Buddhism in school and found many Buddhist principles that i was drawn to. The one point I didn't fully comprehend is the need to suffer. Would you say that you have to have some form of suffering even if it were only a result of deprivation of something good? If so, can you explain why. I mean would it really be impossible to live a Buddhist life without suffering?
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Buddha said ' In life there is suffering '
Not that there is a need to suffer...
Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option. |
05-10-2016, 01:22 PM
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Master
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I think of suffering as less a necessity and more the inevitable result of a) arguing with what is, and b) imagining yourself to be other than you actually are. Ignorance and suffering go hand-in-hand, imo.
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05-10-2016, 03:10 PM
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I think there's a different between a need for and an inevitable of suffering. A need has a meaning to ask for it or necessary to "enjoy" to have it. I think in life it's hard to avoid but can reduce it to its minimum of suffering. I am much agreed with A Human Being.
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07-10-2016, 07:34 AM
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Guide
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Thank you all for the explanation. I can now understand that he meant that suffering is inevitable. But is our choice to either suffer or accept is and live in peace.
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07-10-2016, 07:41 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Jared.L
Thank you all for the explanation. I can now understand that he meant that suffering is inevitable. But is our choice to either suffer or accept is and live in peace.
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Other way around Jared 
Pain is inevitable, suffering an option.
Pain is outer - the human body.
Suffering is inner - the mind. |
10-10-2016, 12:41 PM
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Knower
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Originally Posted by sky123
Other way around Jared
Pain is inevitable, suffering an option.
Pain is outer - the human body.
Suffering is inner - the mind. |
Absolutely sky123!
SN 36.6 and its parallel SA 470 are exactly defining this.
https://suttacentral.net/en/sn36.6
In other words: do not get obsesses (anuseti), and do not be bound (saññuta) by repulsion, desire, or ignorance.
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Note: Agamas in english - https://justpaste.it/yzrn
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10-10-2016, 12:50 PM
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Master
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Pain and suffering.
The wise one, learned, does not feel
The pleasant and painful*mental*feeling.
This is the great difference between
The wise one and the worldling.
For the learned one who has comprehended Dhamma,
Who clearly sees this world and the next,
Desirable things do not provoke his mind,
Towards the undesired he has no aversion.
For him attraction and repulsion no more exist;
Both have been extinguished, brought to an end.
Having known the dust-free, sorrowless state,
The transcender of existence rightly understands.
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10-10-2016, 01:49 PM
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Master
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The thing though is what comes out the other side ...
True, suffering is a hard teacher. The hardest of teachers. 'You' will emerge from it, either bitter and resentful ... or, with compassion, empathy and understanding.
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All this talk of religion, but it's how you live your life that is the all-important thing.
If you set out each day to do all the goodness and kindness that you can, and to do no harm to man or beast, then you are walking the highest path.
And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.
http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
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10-10-2016, 01:54 PM
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Master
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Through my pain and suffering, I learned to turn my life around. It softened my spirit and made me receptive for change. If I had lived a peaceful/happy life I would have continued in ignorance and oblivion putting one foot in front of the other, questioning nothing.
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