Men are from Mars.. Women are from venus

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Knight, hello there! Well, generally I disagree it has to be any certain way, nor that we have to and must revert to what we are not by nature, to something lower than the innocent animals. When we kill, it is by choice. We always have the capacity to chose, and it the event of catastrophe, those who band together and share and cooperate and farm, etc, will be far stronger, with or without Old-West frontier guns at hand and so forth.


Peace & blessings and back to bed ;)
7L

I appreciate your views, if you are correct about "our true nature" then I have nothing to worry about. A world where we are spiritual & aware is OK by me.

If I'm a little more on target then you really are in for disappointment & shock.


Having worked with feral & aggressive animals myself I have no issue with seeing the way things are on a basic level. Perhaps contemplating by way of the physical handling of them.

The only thing stopping an aggressive dog from killing me was my physical form. As a male I had strength, I also had access to tools & human ingenuity.

I have no requirement philosophising on might-not-always being right as essentially I had a tiny window into the "law of the jungle".

We can be capitalist or socialist, male or female but at the end of the day in nature - your toast unless you have the ability to dominate & defend.

Those poor little handbag dogs like Chihuahuas are essentially being dominated by the women who have them, there is no choice for them yet - the poor creatures could obviously have had it a lot worse in life than being treated like a living teddy bear. Horses too are locked within the confines of a field because they are "wanted" by their often female "owners".

It's the way of things.


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[7luminaries]

Hello there Knight.

It's interesting how this one paragraph is the one we keep coming back to. In my mind it's the least relevant given that we have choices that we can make. But perhaps this really is a concern for you and for many others. I can buy that.

Okay. If confronted with a feral animal, with whom we cannot communicate, then yes we may have to put it down. If confronted with other sentient beings, we always have choices and so do they. We can communicate, we can follow and impose rules and laws for social order. We can contain and isolate if so needed. We have other options other than acting like feral animals when in fact we are all so self-aware and sentient at a much higher level.

So it all comes down to choice. I'm not saying that people don't have darkness and iniquity within them. But I am saying that we have choices. From what you're saying, I read it as if we have no choice and the actions taken are automatic and will always be bad and bloody and harmful and oppressive and violent, if ever the stronger and the more dominant feel challenged in any way. First of all that sounds seriously threatening, hahaha. Certainly in its implications it does.

But in fact, I don't see that that's automatically the case. We see egregious violence around the world, and we also see quite the opposite, whole societies run by law, democracy, and a general attitude of generosity and kindness. These polar opposites essentially reflect the spectrum of our choices as a collective, largely regarding the honor and dignity and parity that we accord one another as human beings.

The very fact of our self-awareness means that we do have choices and it doesn't always have to be something automatic or instinctual or violent. We can choose to direct that for greater purposes, or we can choose to use that to dominate to crush. They'll be no love lost in that sort of world. I'm sure you understand that.

So if it's primarily men that have easy access to strength and size from which to dominate and crush, both other men as well as all women, then it's a choice that predominately men need to think about. And women as well where they have a size advantage, for example the children and the chihuahuas We don't want to dominate and crush them, and we as women also broadly speaking very much to support men in also making better choices to actualise their higher Humanity. And not their basest humanity.

Because the fact still remains, that when animals kill it's innocent. But when we kill it's always a choice, whether it's "for survival" or whether it's truly in self-defense, or whether it's quite a bit of something else altogether. Regardless, the responsibility for our decisions is ours, and when we choose to kill that's on us. Good or bad. It's not innocent. We are self-aware and ownership and responsibility is part and parcel of the deal.

I think that what you and I are discussing is the difficulty that humanity faces when taking ownership and responsibility for our sentience and our self awareness. And for all the decisions that we take from that place of sentience and self-awareness. I think unfortunately this is par for the course, and it reflects our movement out of spiritual infancy into a place of dawning awareness in childhood. And part of that will be how we deal with those individuals and cultures that continue to operate from a place of spiritual infancy, whilst we are moving on to a relatively somewhat more mature collective expression.

Peace and blessings
7L

[Raziel]

I wonder if the book were written today it may very well say very different things.

It was commendable for trying to establish communication via understanding which is obviously the most important thing between any of us after all.

When we 1st became a couple my wife & I were exact opposites regarding emotional openness. I being the initiator of discussion regarding feeling.

I'm a male who is soft hearted, I don't feel the need to compete at all & couldn't give a monkeys if someone is "successful" - more power to them.

I like being a couple & the special intimacy it brings, having had girlfriends previously I understand that individuals are each different so there is no "trick" to women, you take as you find.

By the books reckoning I'm a penis from Venus!

I do have to become more masculine as to not get stepped on by others, that is something that I have understood growing up. I have proven myself against the so called Alphas by either proving that there was another way or by avoiding confrontation.

If I have survived amongst the males then I know that women can. I don't see it as a mans world just that often people use their "power" to succeed.

Everyone has power its just how you use it.

I still maintain that men have to keep a level of aggression that women don't, but it's purely defensive as a just in case type deal.

Even though its not my nature emotionally - it has saved my butt tapping into it & I would hate to take it away from humanity as it has been a requirement often for various reasons when communication is not an option.

[angelic star]

I don't even remember what I posted with what in mind on this thread, but well battle of sexes is just strange to me. I feel men and women are different in many ways . There are times when they each don't understand one another, and this is why I posted this. To understand why there is that gap really in terms of empathy and understanding.

Someone just said something like ohh the women's rights brigade would jump on me. I think both sexes are capable of being reactive. A man is capable of being just as emotional, reactive and defensive as a female is. At least some people pride themselves for being more connected to their emotions and more emotionally expressive than their female counterparts, and it's clear. This whole idea of fitting the role of the gender in the face of society can be quite artificial and also dangerous. It is certainly does not feel wise and is on surface.

Strangely history can say a lot of humanity and someone of those past toxic patterns still existing in societies today. It can be left to interpretations by people variously as who was subjugated or coerced more often than whom. People might say the one who is more deserving did rule ( survival of the fittest ) and others might say it was done over power/ lust.
Gladly many of those patterns are now being dismissed by people even if many of us still incur the trauma of the past generations.
Women are more aware now than they were in the dark ages, thankfully. Girls from all part of the world are educated and believe in being educated, they don't simply want to marry and settle and have a family so easily and to cater to their man's needs , even from the less developed countries I feel women are much smarter now than they were like 20 years ago maybe. So they make very similar decisions in life like men do. If you want to look at the picture in the sense of society, accomplishments, education and rights, Women have become just as shrewd as the man and wouldn't give up on what they deserve any less than a man. They couldn't care less. Maybe they never did but now even more so, they are more supported in their choices.

It's interesting to see many different opinions. I feel its difficult for anyone in an adult relationship to make their partner / friend of the opposite sex understand , if in any case they wouldn't anyways. we cannot fix a grown up person. If they wouldn't change their views and have formed an opinion as a man/ or woman of the world and have fixed view to defend their sex and fight for it. Yes we need to fight for ourselves and for the collective. And maybe that is part of growing up together, to be in this as a whole, and at the same time understand our differences but still evolve enough to maybe find a common point. Not evolve solo as one gender against the another.

In some ancient civilizations women were revered over men and married more than once. They practiced rituals ( that later on was only assigned for men to do ) and did important work that men took over later on and did not allow women to do.
If you research ' Manusmriti' a hindu legal text from the dark ages, this man restricted females from doing a lot of things that they were previously allowed to. If one reads what women were depicted as, many of us will be enraged now.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/08/27/the-s...he-manusmriti/

Same as during the witch trials against women in the West. Horrendous acts of crime were committed. Speaking of history that is.

Who knows maybe hundred years from now, more and more women will like more women as romantic partners and men will find more men as romantic partners, or people might find more than one marriages perfectly fine. And views on gender equality and partnerships might be more different than they are now. People might forget the old times, and women might as well rule the world.


Now we seem to have reached a neutral point most us, but we are still blinded by our views.

Perhaps many years from now we will evolve and move on from our current views to something else, however bizarre it maybe.

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by angelic star

I don't even remember what I posted with what in mind on this thread, but well battle of sexes is just strange to me. I feel men and women are different in many ways . There are times when they each don't understand one another, and this is why I posted this. To understand why there is that gap really in terms of empathy and understanding.

Someone just said something like ohh the women's rights brigade would jump on me. I think both sexes are capable of being reactive. A man is capable of being just as emotional, reactive and defensive as a female is. At least some people pride themselves for being more connected to their emotions and more emotionally expressive than their female counterparts, and it's clear. This whole idea of fitting the role of the gender in the face of society can be quite artificial and also dangerous. It is certainly does not feel wise and is on surface.

Strangely history can say a lot of humanity and someone of those past toxic patterns still existing in societies today. It can be left to interpretations by people variously as who was subjugated or coerced more often than whom. People might say the one who is more deserving did rule ( survival of the fittest ) and others might say it was done over power/ lust.
Gladly many of those patterns are now being dismissed by people even if many of us still incur the trauma of the past generations.
Women are more aware now than they were in the dark ages, thankfully. Girls from all part of the world are educated and believe in being educated, they don't simply want to marry and settle and have a family so easily and to cater to their man's needs , even from the less developed countries I feel women are much smarter now than they were like 20 years ago maybe. So they make very similar decisions in life like men do. If you want to look at the picture in the sense of society, accomplishments, education and rights, Women have become just as shrewd as the man and wouldn't give up on what they deserve any less than a man. They couldn't care less. Maybe they never did but now even more so, they are more supported in their choices.

It's interesting to see many different opinions. I feel its difficult for anyone in an adult relationship to make their partner / friend of the opposite sex understand , if in any case they wouldn't anyways. we cannot fix a grown up person. If they wouldn't change their views and have formed an opinion as a man/ or woman of the world and have fixed view to defend their sex and fight for it. Yes we need to fight for ourselves and for the collective. And maybe that is part of growing up together, to be in this as a whole, and at the same time understand our differences but still evolve enough to maybe find a common point. Not evolve solo as one gender against the another.

In some ancient civilizations women were revered over men and married more than once. They practiced rituals ( that later on was only assigned for men to do ) and did important work that men took over later on and did not allow women to do.
If you research ' Manusmriti' a hindu legal text from the dark ages, this man restricted females from doing a lot of things that they were previously allowed to. If one reads what women were depicted as, many of us will be enraged now.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/08/27/the-s...he-manusmriti/

Same as during the witch trials against women in the West. Horrendous acts of crime were committed. Speaking of history that is.

Who knows maybe hundred years from now, more and more women will like more women as romantic partners and men will find more men as romantic partners, or people might find more than one marriages perfectly fine. And views on gender equality and partnerships might be more different than they are now. People might forget the old times, and women might as well rule the world.


Now we seem to have reached a neutral point most us, but we are still blinded by our views.

Perhaps many years from now we will evolve and move on from our current views to something else, however bizarre it maybe.

It's all a con,

Anything that promotes divisiveness - teams - hierarchy is better taken with a pinch of salt. For me at least we had gotten to a point where equality was written into law & thats a good protection against oppression overall.

Individual psychopaths will always find ways to manipulate a system.

I'm glad you commented as sometimes the OP never comes back to a post.

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[7luminaries]

Yes we need to fight for ourselves and for the collective. And maybe that is part of growing up together, to be in this as a whole, and at the same time understand our differences but still evolve enough to maybe find a common point. Not evolve solo as one gender against the another.

Angel, hello there. A very interesting post

I completely agree that ideally we grow together and support one another as a collective. IMO we cannot do that until we honour everyone's voices and everyone's right to be heard, and to interpret their own experiences. As you say, that's the learning curve I see humanity undergoing at present.

Knight is right about one thing and I've agreed with him on it, though I firmly believe we can still guide our own destiny to a better place through the choices we all consciously take. And that is that men's physical strength has built the hierarchy of the elite men over other men, whom they now oppress at a distance (under threat of institutional violence, such as imprisonment, torture, and/or use of police, military, etc., variously). And that same strength has historically built and maintained the power structure of all men over all women. This power is ever only a fist or a rape away, at any moment, and if the rule of law and democracy slips even a little, we are back to might makes right. The powerful over the weak, and all men over women.

It is only our choices and our transformation as both souls and as a collective, that will take us in a different direction, to a people of lovingkindness and equanimity. And it is only in this place that the lowly and the weak (in the eyes of the powerful) will ever be truly free, valued, honoured, respected, and even admired in their own right.

If we learn nothing else from our recent history in the past 100 years and even much more recently, it's all too easy to backslide into regressive, reactionary ways that subvert democracy, liberty, agency, autonomy, and universal civil rights. If class-based divisions grow as the poor are made poorer and benefits are stripped down, then as some men are deprived of any of these rights, typically the first thing that will happen is that women as a whole, along with other vulnerable minorities, will typically be much more brutally oppressed...because the elite know that you cannot raise women above men...they will not stand it because they have the greater strength and can physically take back power -- and they will revolt against the elite men at any chance. At the same time, the elite have realised in the last half century or so that women's labour is even more readily exploited than men's, as women are weaker and more vulnerable. The addition of women's productive output to men's has become a source of wealth for the elite in the West that has given them additional advantage over those in the developing worlds.

The way for women has always ever been only equality and parity with men. And we know that only when all men are assured a decent standard of living will women truly attain equal rights and opportunities. Women's equality and parity, their safety and dignity, etc...are the fruits of a total societal evolution where freedom and dignity and quality of life are already offered to all men. Such that no man ever feels threatened by allowing women the same respect and dignity and opportunities he knows that he himself is guaranteed. Men have historically controlled and oppressed women whilst they in turn were controlled and oppressed by brutal kings and lords, and savage dictators, etc. Women have been used as a sop, a pacifier, to direct men's rage at their injustices away from the elite and the power-over hierarchies. To misdirect us all. To divide and conquer rather than getting clear on where we're living and taking ownership one and all, so that we can collectively take action.

We don't get there till we all get there, just as MLK said. This and general human evolution in right-alignment, more broadly, is why I have always support a massive destructuring of elite hierarchies and power-over structures, and of much of the toxic social paradigms that misdirect and enslave so many of us, allowing the elite of our world to maintain social control and powers of manipulation.

Who knows maybe hundred years from now, more and more women will like more women as romantic partners and men will find more men as romantic partners, or people might find more than one marriages perfectly fine. And views on gender equality and partnerships might be more different than they are now. People might forget the old times, and women might as well rule the world.

Hahaha...hmm. Or, more like, if we forget our history, we're doomed to repeat it, but with bigger and shinier toys and guns

Peace & blessings
7L

[angelic star]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Angel, hello there. A very interesting post

I completely agree that ideally we grow together and support one another as a collective. IMO we cannot do that until we honour everyone's voices and everyone's right to be heard, and to interpret their own experiences. As you say, that's the learning curve I see humanity undergoing at present.

Knight is right about one thing and I've agreed with him on it, though I firmly believe we can still guide our own destiny to a better place through the choices we all consciously take. And that is that men's physical strength has built the hierarchy of the elite men over other men, whom they now oppress at a distance (under threat of institutional violence, such as imprisonment, torture, and/or use of police, military, etc., variously). And that same strength has historically built and maintained the power structure of all men over all women. This power is ever only a fist or a rape away, at any moment, and if the rule of law and democracy slips even a little, we are back to might makes right. The powerful over the weak, and all men over women.

It is only our choices and our transformation as both souls and as a collective, that will take us in a different direction, to a people of lovingkindness and equanimity. And it is only in this place that the lowly and the weak (in the eyes of the powerful) will ever be truly free, valued, honoured, respected, and even admired in their own right.

If we learn nothing else from our recent history in the past 100 years and even much more recently, it's all too easy to backslide into regressive, reactionary ways that subvert democracy, liberty, agency, autonomy, and universal civil rights. If class-based divisions grow as the poor are made poorer and benefits are stripped down, then as some men are deprived of any of these rights, typically the first thing that will happen is that women as a whole, along with other vulnerable minorities, will typically be much more brutally oppressed...because the elite know that you cannot raise women above men...they will not stand it because they have the greater strength and can physically take back power -- and they will revolt against the elite men at any chance. At the same time, the elite have realised in the last half century or so that women's labour is even more readily exploited than men's, as women are weaker and more vulnerable. The addition of women's productive output to men's has become a source of wealth for the elite in the West that has given them additional advantage over those in the developing worlds.

The way for women has always ever been only equality and parity with men. And we know that only when all men are assured a decent standard of living will women truly attain equal rights and opportunities. Women's equality and parity, their safety and dignity, etc...are the fruits of a total societal evolution where freedom and dignity and quality of life are already offered to all men. Such that no man ever feels threatened by allowing women the same respect and dignity and opportunities he knows that he himself is guaranteed. Men have historically controlled and oppressed women whilst they in turn were controlled and oppressed by brutal kings and lords, and savage dictators, etc. Women have been used as a sop, a pacifier, to direct men's rage at their injustices away from the elite and the power-over hierarchies. To misdirect us all. To divide and conquer rather than getting clear on where we're living and taking ownership one and all, so that we can collectively take action.

We don't get there till we all get there, just as MLK said. This and general human evolution in right-alignment, more broadly, is why I have always support a massive destructuring of elite hierarchies and power-over structures, and of much of the toxic social paradigms that misdirect and enslave so many of us, allowing the elite of our world to maintain social control and powers of manipulation.


Hahaha...hmm. Or, more like, if we forget our history, we're doomed to repeat it, but with bigger and shinier toys and guns

Peace & blessings
7L

Hi 7L,

I agree with a lot of what you and some others have said and have gone through the many responses here. It's hard to read through all of it, but everyone is entitled to their views, even the ones we don't fully agree with or feel they cannot see from our viewpoint.
I agree that underlying there is a lot of scum in our societies. In both East and West, I feel ultimately humans are fundamentally the same. Humanity as a whole, has had very similar motives, but we are separated by culture, ways of life, history etc. Ultimately people are same everywhere. Some patterns ruling the world , politically and socially , everywhere. Some have been overcome others have existed for ages.
Men are seen as providers and women as nurturers, I guess somethings, history or time cannot change, fundamentally we are different from each other. As I say this now, I feel that the book men are from Mars... even though I have never read it, might have just touched on the surface of things. The very fundamental ways of how we are, simply said, without bringing dynamics of society, culture, history etc, would say a lot itself and I think even a layman could define it in very simple terms without much analysis. We are different. Yes we are switching roles, but maybe conflict is not just about men and women, but it's much more complex than that. If this discussion continues we might find even more subtleties that we have failed to notice, because we thought about oppression, power, lust and about our rights. It's justified but I feel it's a lot more complex than just that.
Yes men have more physical strength than females do, and maybe they have channeled that strength negatively. They definitely exude power but it was used for a negative purpose by oppression of the 'weaker'. If men still predominantly rule the world , then well it's a ****ed up world in any case.
You hear a lot gang rapes, rapes, sexual abuse. You hardly ever hear women gang raped a man. I have never heard of it, I am sure it could have happened, but I mostly hear about men sexually abusing women. If you are talking about strong cases like gang rapes or sexual crimes, you don't really hear a woman sexually abusing a man or violence from a female towards a man. It must happen but its rarer than men committing sexual crimes against women. Crimes are more rampant these days and you get to hear about a lot of them.
I am speaking completely from experience here. Women have confided to me about sexual crimes , its horrendous what happens. Sometimes if you hear deeply to what they have to say, you will notice a very strong dynamic between the victim and perpetrator. It's almost like a very intense partnership running between them but a severely toxic one. It's not nice. Then again, that is crime that happens a lot in this world. And most people are not aware it.
It's not just women, even children get bullied in schools, sexually harassed in their homes by their family members, teachers or elders they trust the most. Even men get harassed and violated by other men and violently so. It's not always a girl. Although females are more vulnerable than a man.
But then are all men like that ? No. There are good people in this world, there are helpful and kind men in this world as well, who make good fathers, good husbands, good boyfriends , good brothers and good friends. Those are the men we derive strength and hope from, that there is hope in this world, not just for women or children , but for most of us.
We are switching roles in the modern world, and it's fine. We all deserve respect and we all want to live with integrity, both man and woman. Sometimes it's hard to address the small injustices of lack of empathy or understanding , because bigger crimes are already happening, probably every day. Think of the Arab nations and women there. Terrorists would just invade your neighbors house and rape women and there might be an explosion in the building right next to your's. It's even bad there. Men joke openly about kidnapping a girl and keeping her hostage in the month of ramadan and then ultimately gang raping her by the end of it.
Are men in the west any different than that. I don't think so.
I remember talking to a girl who shared her story with me. She said her boyfriend and her friends had raped her. And no one came to her rescue while she was being raped. the next day everyone laughed at her.
You see this is the kind of society we live in. And we want to speak of the empowerment in the west. Our societies are not all that empowered anywhere.
It feels all like a bed of roses, but horrendous crimes happen against women, children and no one talks about it. It looks all honky dory but it's really not.

It's unfair world, and the term equality might be a joke. The only change that has been brought today in the world, in terms of equal rights is because women themselves are taking charge now and have learned their lessons. So they don't feel any less than a man. They are seizing the day and taking the opportunities that come their way.

We all deserve respect , and given there are so many injustices, and there has been so many injustices in the past, we have so much fear, most of us. We all want to live with integrity but we sometimes become complacent to the problems of another the reason why bad things happen, and complacency and denial is not always the best way to move forward. If a person is harassed in a workplace, school, home etc it's not acceptable and not honorable. There are gender biases we cannot just let go of and say it does not exist. It does exist , we all hear about them and some of us even live with them.
It's okay to feel a little triggered, to have courage to lend our thoughts, even if it may not be accepted by others, because that is when we come forward and learn and grow as people.
Thank you for sharing, and yeah haha I hope we don't repeat history again, it will be crazy with shinier guns.

[Nature Grows]

You know what.. i was gonna post another post, a different one then this but ya know.... every one has got masculine an feminine energies within them.. so who are you guys arguing with an what for? anyway... after today, today my family members, well a couple of them were calling me a loser and stuff i was just annoyed by it, it got to me a bit.. this world is more masculine in nature i wish it was more feminine, loving, nurturing an the rest, i'm talking about real motherly, goddess type energy not western feminism hate men stuff, thats more masculine.. but anyway today after getting my butt kicked, not literally but people made me feel really bad, i went to some place i had to go to, and this woman there started talking to me and she was sooo sweet and kind to me, i was also bleeding on my arm, i didn't realise and she offers me a band aid and even some free work shoes... it was so nice haha and the way she done it too... sometimes i'm like screw every one, i don't need anyone... but that, i feel like i needed that today, especially today, the reminder of it as well, it's very beautiful and powerful that energy.

Ok im done here, carry on.

[angelic star]

Originally Posted by Nature Grows

You know what.. i was gonna post another post, a different one then this but ya know.... every one has got masculine an feminine energies within them.. so who are you guys arguing with an what for? anyway... after today, today my family members, well a couple of them were calling me a loser and stuff i was just annoyed by it, it got to me a bit.. this world is more masculine in nature i wish it was more feminine, loving, nurturing an the rest, i'm talking about real motherly, goddess type energy not western feminism hate men stuff, thats more masculine.. but anyway today after getting my butt kicked, not literally but people made me feel really bad, i went to some place i had to go to, and this woman there started talking to me and she was sooo sweet and kind to me, i was also bleeding on my arm, i didn't realise and she offers me a band aid and even some free work shoes... it was so nice haha and the way she done it too... sometimes i'm like screw every one, i don't need anyone... but that, i feel like i needed that today, especially today, the reminder of it as well, it's very beautiful and powerful.

Ok im done here, carry on.

That's exactly my thought, and the strongest one I have actually. We have both masculine and feminine energies with us. I have had wonderful male and female people in my life, and I am pretty full with it. Can't worry about the bad people in the world, even if they exist and people face them. Sometimes I wonder, but well, I guess there are injustices some people just face it, have to live it and cannot just not not see it or let go of it, so they lose their way. And some of us witness it, so it enrages us.
Then again, it's really silly fighting about gender, because well think of native americans, they believed in like five genders or something like that.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by angelic star

That's exactly my thought, and the strongest one I have actually. We have both masculine and feminine energies with us. I have had wonderful male and female people in my life, and I am pretty full with it. Can't worry about the bad people in the world, even if they exist and people face them. Sometimes I wonder, but well, I guess there are injustices some people just face it, have to live it and cannot just not not see it or let go of it, so they lose their way. And some of us witness it, so it enrages us.
Then again, it's really silly fighting about gender, because well think of native americans, they believed in like five genders or something like that.

Very cool stuff I remember reading about how the purposes of some of these additional gender categories was exactly to free folks from the typecasting and demands and requirements of the 'standard' ones. In other words, to let us all be more fully human. But traditionally, I believe, these were reserved for special folks performing certain roles or duties, maybe like a medicine woman or what have ye.

Hopefully one day, all will be more integrated and thus the individual will be more free to be who he/she/we each are.

In the meantime, the power structure of our society is founded on the tradition role set, and that's what we have to tranform in(to) a better way for our future.

Peace & blessings
7L