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Old 18-04-2016, 05:34 PM
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Lavender - I forgot to mention, have you tried listening to white noise such as a sound machine? Or listen to music that promotes deep sleep? Something like that might help redirect your mind from "thinking about too much stuff" to focusing on music meant for deep sleep or a sound machine...

Another good suggestion and it could help - the sound of rain. I've recorded a lot of rain but haven't published any. I notice there are few on Youtube - haven't checked any so there'll be good and bad. They'd need to be downloaded and treated using some audio editor like Audacity, so the treble can be cut a bit (to sound more "pink" than "white" as noise goes) and to fade out toward the end, maybe over the last 10 minutes.
It needs to be played through speakers - earphones (in or over ear) are useless for this unless you can guarantee sleeping on your back.

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Old 18-04-2016, 11:32 PM
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Well, I have a mental illness that requires medication and I'm medication compliant and very happy to be.

You are not going to like my advice but I have a lot of experience with it living with my disability now for over ten years; I haven't suffered from insomnia for that entire time although I struggled with it before developing my illness. I used to go to a mental health support group where several people suffered from insomnia and no one ever liked my advice but I genuinely know it is the right advice from my own experience. So, here it is:

1) If you have health insurance see a psychiatrist and not a gp regarding insomnia.
a. he can put you on medication like Lunesta, Ambien or some other sleep aid.
b. alternatively he may not put you on those medications but recommend some other medication for anxiety, depression, or psychosis all of which cause severe insomnia.

2) This is a medical issue and not a spiritual issue, you should treat medical issues with medical solutions and spiritual issues with spiritual solutions. From my experience prayer helps the soul and not the body.

3) All the people who I have met who have tried natural solutions or alternative solutions never benefited from them when it came to insomnia. Again, I was part of a mental health support group with about thirty member at one time. The ones who suffered from insomnia suffered from it even after trying things like melatonin or other natural methods.

4) Over the counter medication is not advisable. It can become addicting, in spite of what the box says, and is not effective when dealing with medical insomnia.

Again, they never liked my advice of seeing a psychiatrist and taking the sleep medication or other medication. I personally don't understand what the problem people have with medication is; if you had diabetes I'm sure you would take medication for it, this is the same thing. But, but, but until you are sick of not getting any sleep you won't try it.
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Old 19-04-2016, 12:26 AM
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1) If you have health insurance see a psychiatrist and not a gp regarding insomnia.
a. he can put you on medication like Lunesta, Ambien or some other sleep aid.
b. alternatively he may not put you on those medications but recommend some other medication for anxiety, depression, or psychosis all of which cause severe insomnia.

This is why it's important for a person to consider having a sleep study done, because if the insomnia is caused by a physical problem such as obstructive sleep apnea, taking prescription sleeping pills will make it worse...

If a person doesn't have the financial resources available to have a sleep study done there is nothing wrong with trying alternative methods to see if it helps improve sleep...however, if the problem is chronic and continues, it's important to consider having a sleep study to find out exactly what is going on which is causing the disrupted sleep so the person can seek the appropriate treatment/therapy methods...
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Old 19-04-2016, 12:53 AM
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This is why it's important for a person to consider having a sleep study done, because if the insomnia is caused by a physical problem such as obstructive sleep apnea, taking prescription sleeping pills will make it worse...

If a person doesn't have the financial resources available to have a sleep study done there is nothing wrong with trying alternative methods to see if it helps improve sleep...however, if the problem is chronic and continues, it's important to consider having a sleep study to find out exactly what is going on which is causing the disrupted sleep so the person can seek the appropriate treatment/therapy methods...


Well, I'm not very familiar with sleep studies or their financial viability or whether they are covered by insurance. Have you had a sleep study done? Please, do share your experience with sleep studies.

The impression I get of sleep studies is they cover physical problems with insomnia and not necessarily neurological or psychological problems. And they are meant to diagnose the physical problems for later treatment.

What is the concern with medication? Not over the counter medication, but real clinical, psychiatric medication? I'm sure a trained Psychiatrist, which is a medical doctor specialist, can refer to sleep study if he believes it is the direction to go.

Again, I've been around for over year people who refused to get psychiatric treatment for their insomnia. At least ten people I knew were like this. They would come to meetings every week having failed the alternative medicine path but refused to take the psychiatric medication. I never understood that. I always saw it as a matter of pride, "Unless I fix this myself I don't want to fix it at all types," that path never made sense to me; tended to be rather controlling as well. I guess we all have to learn in our own way.
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Old 19-04-2016, 01:16 AM
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Well, I'm not very familiar with sleep studies or their financial viability or whether they are covered by insurance. Have you had a sleep study done? Please, do share your experience with sleep studies.

I work as a sleep technologist and actually run the tests...

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The impression I get of sleep studies is they cover physical problems with insomnia and not necessarily neurological or psychological problems. And they are meant to diagnose the physical problems for later treatment.

Sleep studies can cover neurological problems in addition to physical problems...

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What is the concern with medication? Not over the counter medication, but real clinical, psychiatric medication?

The problem with medication is if a person has untreated sleep apnea and they take a sleep aid, the sleep aid relaxes the muscles in the body which can worsen the person's sleep apnea...Sometimes, I've had patients who still have insomnia in addition to sleep apnea, so they have to wear a CPAP machine to fix the physical problem and take medication to fix the neurological problem...For some people, sleep disorders can be complex and it is possible to have more than one sleep disorder...

http://www.mysleepapneamd.com/blog/s...ep-apnea-worse

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I'm sure a trained Psychiatrist, which is a medical doctor specialist, can refer to sleep study if he believes it is the direction to go.

Yes, I would also hope a trained Psychiatrist would refer their patient's to consider having a sleep study done and not just prescribe them medications as the only treatment option...

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Again, I've been around for over year people who refused to get psychiatric treatment for their insomnia. At least ten people I knew were like this. They would come to meetings every week having failed the alternative medicine path but refused to take the psychiatric medication. I never understood that. I always saw it as a matter of pride, "Unless I fix this myself I don't want to fix it at all types," that path never made sense to me; tended to be rather controlling as well. I guess we all have to learn in our own way.

Some people can be stubborn, yes... :)
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Old 19-04-2016, 02:56 AM
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I work as a sleep technologist and actually run the tests...



Sleep studies can cover neurological problems in addition to physical problems...



The problem with medication is if a person has untreated sleep apnea and they take a sleep aid, the sleep aid relaxes the muscles in the body which can worsen the person's sleep apnea...Sometimes, I've had patients who still have insomnia in addition to sleep apnea, so they have to wear a CPAP machine to fix the physical problem and take medication to fix the neurological problem...For some people, sleep disorders can be complex and it is possible to have more than one sleep disorder...

http://www.mysleepapneamd.com/blog/s...ep-apnea-worse



Yes, I would also hope a trained Psychiatrist would refer their patient's to consider having a sleep study done and not just prescribe them medications as the only treatment option...



Some people can be stubborn, yes... :)

OK, thank you for that, this is good to know. The overall conclusion I take is, this issue of insomnia is one that modern medicine has addressed from different angles and there is treatment. The journey you may want to go on is not a spiritual one but a medical one.
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