Meat eating Christians?

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Not quite true; we were born omnivores.
But even if what you say is right, we were also born incontinent and unable to speak. These are skills we pick up later, as is a vegetarian diet.

A brilliant riposte! (I must jot that one down!)

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

knight... you purposely have taken things out of context.
The blood requirement verse is about the shedding of another persons blood. Not about animals.

Jesus spoke also about "feasts", and gave no indication of a pro vegetarian lifestyle.
He stated that it is not what goes into a person which defiles them, but what is emitted.

"15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from within"

Interesting though, how people will assert certain things.

I wasn't going to give this the time of day, but then thought it warranted a response.

The Bible may be your book, but it isn't mine, but if you are going to quote from it, you should at least get the facts straight.

"Interesting how people will assert things"
In Matthew 15 Jesus, partly in allegory, is reproving the hypocrisy and false teaching of the scribes and Pharisees , who had malice in their hearts.
The piece as a whole was triggered by the issue of not washing hands. It's not a lecture on diet.

"And the blood requirement verse is about the shedding of another person's blood. Not about animals." I suggest you re-read it.
If 'you' eat meat with the blood (i.e. non-kosher) then God's curse is upon you. That is what it says, that is what it means and that is why the Jews are so painstakingly meticulous in only eating kosher meat/kosher food.

As for the vegan origins of early Christian, why was James the brother of Jesus and first head of the Christian Church in Jerusalem vegan? As recorded by Hegesippus, the earliest Christian writer and confirmed by St Augustine.
Why was the Apostle Matthew vegan as recorded by Clement of Alexandria? Why was the Apostle Peter vegan as recorded in the Clementine Homilies?
Why was abstention from meat commonplace among the early Christian fathers/saints?
Because it was ordained teaching.
'The disciple is in all things as the Master'.

[Visitor]

Biologically we are omnivores. Our teeth cater for both meat and vegetation. If we were meant to be vegetarian I think we would have teeth similar to cows (primarily of molars for grinding the fibers down).

[Baile]

I'm surprised at the complexity of this discussion. It's a very simple question. You are "defiled" by whatever you eat that your heart and soul understands to be wrong for you. I ate meat all my life. A decade ago, I woke up to what my inner voice was telling me: stop eating meat, it's not right for you anymore.

That's the answer... to every question of this kind.

Originally Posted by Visitor

Biologically we are omnivores. Our teeth cater for both meat and vegetation. If we were meant to be vegetarian I think we would have teeth similar to cows (primarily of molars for grinding the fibers down).

This is true, however, because of our intelligence we have discovered that it is not necessary to eat meat. Therefore we do not have to, despite what evolution intended. We can opt for a more compassionate diet.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

This is true, however, because of our intelligence we have discovered that it is not necessary to eat meat. Therefore we do not have to, despite what evolution intended. We can opt for a more compassionate diet.

We are meat eaters or vegetarians, depending on our soul calling. Or are we going to allow science to tell us it knows what we supposedly are in that regard? That's tantamount to allowing religion to tell us the earth is 6000 years old.

Originally Posted by Baile

We are meat eaters or vegetarians, depending on our soul calling. Or are we going to allow science to tell us it knows what we supposedly are in that regard? That's tantamount to allowing religion to tell us the earth is 6000 years old.

Science can not tell us what we are supposed to eat.
It can tell us what food our ancestors ate and the nutrients we need.
Our ancestors ate an omnivorous diet but all our required nutrients can be obtained from a vegetarian diet.

[Lightspirit]

In the beginning God created sin free Vegans in his image.

Not long after the serpent tempted them in to sin. Sin invoked Gods wrath and a flood to stop sinning and corruption.
Because of the flood man ate meat.

Meat was not given to man as blessing, meat consumption was because of sinful activities God hates as temporary measure to survive hunger after flood.

God made sin free vegans in his mage and man caused the existence of omnivores that delight in killing for taste and pleasure through dissobedience to God.

There is plenty after Genesis talking about meat consumption but to say it was natural is also to say God desired man to sin so he could eat meat. there was no death until man sinned.

Killing is very bad because all life is precious and matters to us all very much :)

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Our ancestors ate an omnivorous diet

If you believe our ancestors were cave people I could understand that comment. That means believing what science believes about the human being and its origins, and that's what I was getting at.

Originally Posted by Baile

If you believe our ancestors were cave people I could understand that comment. That means believing what science believes about the human being and its origins, and that's what I was getting at.

I believe that our ancestors were "cave people," yes.
I don't see how that is, in your words:

tantamount to allowing religion to tell us the earth is 6000 years old.

One view is based on archaeological evidence, the other on faith.