Do All Insects Go To Heaven?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

".......or whatever you think it is."

One facet of my 'mission' is to educate (i.e raise the level of awareness of) people on the planet is to 'rescue' (save? ) as many as I can from being caught up in the 'net' of unquestioning embrace and literal interprations of spoken and.or written words. ("The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things." blah-de-blah). Here's an excerpt from my treatise, titled "What Did Jesus Really Mean?", which addresses the Biblical version of God, Jesus, Heaven, etc.:

"Now, while I fully acknowledge and myself frequently extol the often amazing to the point of seeming miraculous operational power of one’s beliefs (i.e one’s thoughts about and expectations relating to Reality), and notwithstanding the huge number of promoters and guarantors and consequently socially amassed potency of the above-referenced belief-and‑expectation scheme, let me submit the contrasting proposition that the probability that anyone can and so may thereby ensure experience of such (sort of) ‘heavenly’ forever after can really be no greater than the probability that believing and expecting (even without any doubt whatsoever!) that any personally subscribed to belief-and-expectation constellation and talisman, mantra, prayer, concordant behavior or combination thereof relating thereto can and will operationally ensure that any of one’s desires will be fulfilled as desired, or that one will thereby be ‘saved’ (in this case, meaning precluded) from experiencing anything one wishes not to experience as wished (not to).

Why? Because, though the matrixial ‘fabric’ of Life which one’s (that is, everyone’s!) living experience and expression is an integral part of is indeed amazingly ‘elastic’ (in the sense of Its being able to simultaneously accommodate a wide range of alternative probabilities), such that it indeed can and may be locally patterned-shifted by belief-and-expectation related thoughts, emotions and actions for periods of time, said ‘fabric’ is actually ‘threaded’ together by much more than the power of any single person or group’s ‘effect’ generating belief‑and‑expectation ‘weavings’. Besides, the above-referenced postmortem ‘salvation’ and heavenly ‘reward’ and their oppositely contrasting, hellish separation-from-God ‘punishment’ and ‘perdition’ scenarios can and may only be experienced as envisioned in the context of a personally encapsulating astral realm projected movie-script production, not in across-the-board, co-related to and with all others Reality. Why? (1) Because, as I hope I convincingly sussed out in the preceding chapter, our Source (i.e. ‘the Father’), which creatively generates and sustains all Being, and The Entity of Creation (i.e. ‘the Son’ that Jesus mentally and emotionally completely ‘i’dentified with), which is the Totality of said Being’s Doing, are actually transpersonal features of Life, not ‘persons’ as such to begin with; (2) because ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’ reference psychospiritual states of mind and heart, not actual spatiotemporal environments; and (3) because the The Flow of Creation, a/k/a Life, is such that It is ever‑evolving: no gestalt of Its Being-n-Doing lasts in the same ‘form’ or ‘state’ (in or out of this or any other ‘worldly’ context) forever!*

[Footnote* As succinctly articulated in Heraclitus’ wisdom-saying: “No man ever steps into the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man!”]

[utopiandreamchild]

Originally Posted by neil

That is not so correct. God/creator could illuminate this entire universe with his mind in consenance with the magical matter of the universe (of which is the one & only spiritual universe), as he has done throughout the entire Heavens, via his word/thought.

If creator wanted, he could simply have a desire for the entire one & only single spiritual universe, (of which contains all galaxies), to be lit by spiritual light, of the most incredible radiant lumenesence. & the light of our Sun would pale in significance & all darkness & would simply not exist.

Darkness, lack of lumenence, is only in existence in certain parts of the one & only single spiritual universe of which contains the physical galaxies & Heavens, because there is absolutely zero nessesity to illuminate unused sections of the universe.
And the organic planetary situations survive on the nessesity of sun & no sun & seasons of which are caused by the spinning of the Earth..hence day & night.

Darkness is not nessesary for light to exist. If you would like further explanation, please ask.

Without darkness there could be no light they are polar opposites and one could not exist without the other.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

Without darkness there could be no light they are polar opposites and one could not exist without the other.

In the physical world, where light and color are a function of the presence and activity electromagnetic wave-vibrations, there is no such thing as 'darkness' - what is 'seen' (actually it is something not 'seen') as 'darkness' is merely the absence of any electromagnetic activity, the absence of 'light'.

In terms of mind-and-spirit, that is in terms of the soul or the realm of the soul, however, one may say that 'darkness' denotes a state or condition in which a souls (ego?) has become so 'warped' that it is motivated to exploit, hurt, destroy, Life in 'perverse' ways - IOW, such that it has become vengefully/hatefully anti-Life/Love, operationally speaking - then it may reasonably be regarded as being the opposite of Life/Love, as anti-Christ you might say, as evil, or as devilish 'darkness'.

Or so I think.

Originally Posted by davidsun

Indeed! And that 'we' includes those categories of people you (IMO, frequently) 'put down'.

(Note: I don't regard 'opposing' or 'criticizing' as being truly disrespectful (they are just not 'adorational'). It is things like snarkily or otherwise 'looking down on', 'diminishing', and 'dismissing' etc. which I think are spiritually ('we' are 'one') unbecoming, narcissistic, other-and-so-ultimately-self degrading ploys, I therefore oppose/criticize these when and where I encounter such behaviors and/or their endorsers/supporters.

There you go again, like a broken record that plays the same little soundbite over and over Only now they're categories of people. This is how I exist in your reality, David, and your reality is not THE reality. Don Qixote didn't get it either so at least you and he have something in common.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

There you go again, like a broken record that plays the same little soundbite over and over Only now they're categories of people. This is how I exist in your reality, David, and your reality is not THE reality. Don Qixote didn't get it either so at least you and he have something in common.

Like OI said, I callz it like I seez it, shadowz included. From what you say, I gather that you don't see things the way I do.

[utopiandreamchild]

All things go to heaven when they die. That's the only place to go. Unless you want to go to hell?. You do have choice you know. Amen

[neil]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

All things go to heaven when they die. That's the only place to go. Unless you want to go to hell?. You do have choice you know. Amen

Unless the spiritual Soul of the animals, mammals, insects etc are not design to live on without the Earthly body ie :- in the spiritual.

Maybe they are only just cleaners & polinaters of the Earth only, & never are meant or designed for life eternal.

& just maybe they are not sentient & un like us they just blink out of existence after they are of no use to the Earth any longer.

So what makes you so sure that they do.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

All things go to heaven when they die. That's the only place to go. Unless you want to go to hell?. You do have choice you know. Amen

Did not Jesus go to hell for 3 days?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Did not Jesus go to hell for 3 days?

Are you serious? Get real, John - that is if you want someone like me to respect you (its OK if your don't, btw)

https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/...n-hell-faq.htm

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

Without darkness there could be no light they are polar opposites and one could not exist without the other.

In Genesis chapter 1, darkness existed first... then light.