Ascended Masters are liars, are they the fallen ones?

[Native spirit]

In my opinion guides are not allowed to interfere with our lives.they are there to guide us.
i don't believe anything that is said by guides unless it comes from my own guide,in which i have total trust.
i do not read things like that anyway i don't even read the bible.i don't believe in its words.

Namaste

[SaturninePluto]

I will say I do not really know the whole idea of ascended masters.

I mean really that I am not too sure what to make of it, I am new to a lot of the concepts here at SF, as well as in other places. I am only starting to learn of guides myself, and am sort of taking it one step at a time, and learning through my own experiences with guide communication. So taking it slow.

But I will say that on the topic of channeled messages and books written whether from ascended masters, or any guide, entity- what have you, the way I feel about it is if it is uplifting for me it certainly is, and if I find something off to me I do, and I pretty much plan to leave it at that.

I am a fan of Tom Brown Jr works. There are many who believe the individual a fraud. This doesn't bother me, as I still enjoy some of what was written and put forth in the books. They're not entirely bad themselves, even if what was written isn't entirely accurate. That is to say I agree with caring for the earth, I have faith that yes we do have intuition, and should learn how to use it, things put forth with a positive message like that.

However in honesty here I think his school classes without having ever been, is way too expensive, I do not agree at all with the comments in his writing about the majority of humanity being trapped in the flesh- I get the general idea of his view, but have had enough spiritual experiences to give my fellow man some credit, and while I realize not everyone is spiritual and actually a lot are skeptical, I in no way view others as trapped, but rather capable of making their own personal choices, whether spiritual or not. But, to the point there are still things within the text I find uplifting and positive.

Take the bible for instance- I used to be highly critical of both it, and a lot of Christians.

But there are some things in the bible I find could be positive or helpful. My best example is some of the things Jesus had said.

Or certain passages or chapters.

"Be it unto you according to your faith"

"Ask and you shall receive".

The bible itself has been taken out of context on countless occasions, both by spiritual people whom are not religious, and certain religious individuals themselves.

That is my view at the moment, and I am only just starting to learn on a lot of this, guides, ascended masters, IAs, starseeds, indigo- angels all of it.

Actually despite that Tom Brown spoke of ancestors and spirit guides in instances (nothing really detailed) in his works, I was considerably in the dark about how to communicate with them, what exactly they are, and I also was not sure whether or not I actually believe in them.

As far as any channeled messages go- and there are some here by other members here themselves, and I have tried channeling messages as well- I listen to the content- and see if it is rational in some way, or a positive message, or if there is any content that may help me through a tough time in particular, and the rest I set aside for a time.

As to ascended masters being deceptive or liars- yes I believe it is possible any spirit could lie.

I simply put my faith in knowing that I am aware of right and wrong, and simply will not adhere to anything that tries to tell me anything.

If I have any doubts like said already, I already always ask God, Great Spirit- Who never ever lies to me, and would never ever tell me to do anything harmful. And who wouldn't push me one way or other to do anything- or to believe anything or anyone.

As for guides, although I am learning of them, ultimately I only need but two.

[TeamEffort]

Anybody can put anything into a book or a blog or a page on the internet. A lot of times people write alarming things to get attention and sell books. People lie. Be careful what you choose to believe.

[anotherlight]

If a message isn't loving, then it's not from a high level in spirit.
If a guide talks politics, then it's not a guide.

[William 辰]

Originally Posted by jenriggs

Hi,

I was reading that there are some "ascended masters" that are acting as Pleadians. They are channeling through people with loving messages and how they are coming and they will take down the financial system so everything is free, the government will be taken down, we will be ascending to the fifth dimension, etc.

Sounds funny, but I think these people are actually the fallen angels who will be returning. I read that the antichrist will be arriving on a spaceship, and will be doing the exact same thing these people are saying. He will look like Jesus and will betray us, and once we all worship him it will be too late. His plan is to look like the Jesus we have been conditioned to see him as. (Jesus wasn't some white guy with blue eyes).

I always got a strange feeling when I was listening to the ashtar command and plaideian messages. They were too complimentary, like they were sucking up to us and the promises they were making sounded too good to be true.

Leaving details aside, I have to point out that there are Humans living on Earth right now who were Pleadians in past lives. So they may be technically Human right now. But because of their Akash and them being one with who they really are (Acting as a quantum bridge between worlds), they have attributes of the Pleadians. Ascended Masters also were Humans, so they are no exception. Once you have lived the life, it is part of who you are. In short, they are not necessarily acting, but rather being bigger than one singular body or one particular kind of energy.

Also there's what people call "The soup of God". God is made of Love, Light and Joy. Consisting of many individual parts (entities) and yet all is one. Like a soup. Just like it isn't possible to take the salt grains out of the chicken soup, it isn't possible to leave the soup of God. If you take any one part out of it, it isn't complete and God wouldn't exist. So there are no fallen Angels. Evil only exists in the linear world, where Humans are working the puzzle of life.

It isn't weird for Angels, Helper energies, and Ascended Masters to talk about politics. But the most important thing to keep in mind is that it's always about context. How do you feel when you read or listen to a channeling?

[anotherlight]

Originally Posted by Native spirit

In my opinion guides are not allowed to interfere with our lives.they are there to guide us.
i don't believe anything that is said by guides unless it comes from my own guide,in which i have total trust.
i do not read things like that anyway i don't even read the bible.i don't believe in its words.

Namaste

You're right. But I think your sentence that you don't believe in the bible's words - is really that you don't believe in some of the bible's words. Neither do I. And there's a good reason for that since the compilation of various books served to make the one Bible at the demand of King Constantine brought a bit of editing with it. Unfortunately some books were left out that I've aware of (one on incarnation and one on Mary) because they wanted the church to have power. So women couldn't be revered as the men. In the case of incarnation - the church would lose a lot of it's power of dangling Hell and fear over the people if the people knew they had their own power and return to life many times to raise their consciousness. So to keep the church's power over the people and gather its riches, some books were kept out, some hadn't been discovered yet, and some text was changed to satisfy the King's idea of what people should know. It's good that you trust your guide, if you get another guide I'm sure you will ask your original one for confirmation that the new one is right for you. Do you have a body signal for your guide?

In my beginning I had two very strong guides. Thereafter, every new guide that came along I would also feel the body signal of my first two trusted guides in addition to the new guide's signal. I opened up to my first contact about 35 years ago, have had many guides, now just one. And it will remain that way. But in the beginning those two important guides not only had much channeling for me, they also seemed to be babysitting me and making sure only the right guides came through. So when I would get a body signal of a new guide wanting to come through, I would also simultaneously feel my other two guides signals as well. I always felt very secure - they would not have allowed any guide through who wasn't right. We will get whatever we need at the time, a guide who works with us trying to input their loving guidance -- but like you said, guides don't tell us what to do. But they will answer honestly if you are off track, or confirm when you are okay. Don't forget you also exist simultaneously on a higher level, called the higher self. It's a big subject. But I wanted you to know I think you are very much on the right track.

[Dargor]

Uhm isn't the Antichrist supposed to be a human? The number of the beast (Antichrist) is 666 and it is described as a man's number, not a demon's. The flying jesus figure on a spaceship you speak of seems more like a candidate for the second beast known as the false prophet who looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon.

[Golden Eagle]

you do not have the discernment to distinguish an Ascended Master from a liar ......... suggest you get a job in retail for 30 years before thinking about this thought any further~

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by jenriggs

Hi,

I was reading that there are some "ascended masters" that are acting as Pleadians. They are channeling through people with loving messages and how they are coming and they will take down the financial system so everything is free, the government will be taken down, we will be ascending to the fifth dimension, etc.

Sounds funny, but I think these people are actually the fallen angels who will be returning. I read that the antichrist will be arriving on a spaceship, and will be doing the exact same thing these people are saying. He will look like Jesus and will betray us, and once we all worship him it will be too late. His plan is to look like the Jesus we have been conditioned to see him as. (Jesus wasn't some white guy with blue eyes).

I always got a strange feeling when I was listening to the ashtar command and plaideian messages. They were too complimentary, like they were sucking up to us and the promises they were making sounded too good to be true.

Humans have really grabbed the bull by the horns in respect to all of this.

I have also read the stuff written by the followers of 'Ashtar Command' and I really have to laugh out loud, because I am in direct contact with Ashtar Sheran (my Pleiadian guide and TF) and the stuff people have written about it all, is so fanciful and full of their own agendas and ideals...it's a load of 'New Age' tripe to be honest.

Ever since I was a child, I have adored and loved the Hindu deity, Lord Shiva.

I have studied the Vedas, the Upanishads and everything about Tantra, Yoga and Ayurveda...I basically became the living 'human receptacle' for the Akashic Records including sacred geometry, universal design, dead languages and hidden human history ...this was not all my doing though...as I was being guided by an 'otherworldly' hand, who appeared to me many times in visions, in dreams, and also in the waking state...a being with light brown skin, green eyes and so full of love and light...it was incredible!

Many years later, I saw a picture on the internet...I went "that's HIM!" the recognition was instant and immediate...I have already posted the picture once today, because the love I feel for him knows no bounds or limit and it is also reciprocated:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/92...13829312de.jpg

This is Lord Shiva Hamat Kur....Shiv Sharan...Lord Shiva in human form as an Ascended Master...also known as Ashtar Sheran (of Ashtar command) and also known by Christians as the "fallen one" - Ashtaroth.

Lord Shiva brought the sacred teachings of Sanat Dharma (Hinduism) to India some 5,000+ years ago.

According to Christians, Sanat is an anagram of Satan....but then again, Brahmaa is an anagram of Abraham.

However, Hinduism is at least 5,000 years old...Christianity about half of that, so it's clear to see who applied the anagrams to their own ends, isn't it?

To be totally honest and logical with you, if you believe the Christians, anything that isn't written in the Bible is a 'lie' and their secular belief system (which has undergone many different translations and omissions) is a concrete manifestation of "you are either part of the problem or part of the solution" philosophy...thus, they will call anything a 'lie' which doesn't fit within their own cosy paradigm.

Of course they will 'demonise' basically anything that doesn't fit in with their scheme of things, calling Aliens...the Pleaidians "demons" or "fallen ones" because they don't want people to understand this...'wise up' about any of it...eat from the 'tree of knowledge' twice.

...and of course, Ashtar isn't interested in establishing any 'new world order' currently...taking down any governments...financial systems...establishing "5D" etc. That's all just fanciful and wishful thinking on the part of humans who WANT it to be that way, despite any plans that Ashtar may have to the contrary...he just says "I've given you all the esoteric teachings...the way for you all to realise the Self within...to feel the love we all share...your connection with the whole universe...but whether or not you utilise this is up to YOU, not me...I can only lead a horse to water...and all that".

He will check in on us in a while though to see how things are going...not in the forseeable future though...unless we EACH make the world a better place in which to live, without relying upon celestial intervention and once he feels we are worthy of 'free energy' without trying to 'control it' and 'fight over it' and 'kill for it'...which is what happened in Atlantis...he will return to earth and teach us and guide us more, but we are just not ready for that yet (as a whole).

So, this is the whole truth about it and everything else is just 'superstitious spin' that humans have concocted to cloud the issue.

[Shivani Devi]

As an aside to the above, I have been advised to share this too, so you all will begin to understand.

There isn't much dialectical difference between 'Jehovah' and 'Shiva'..In Hebrew though, the actual word "shiva" means "seven" and it can either relate to the chakras or the number of stars in the Pleaides System which is in the constellation of Taurus...which also represents the vehicle or 'mount' of Lord Shiva...Nandi the Bull (Taurus)...the same Nandi The Bull that the 'heathen tribes' worshiped during the time of Moses...and of course, the star and the crescent in Islam represents the pranava OM...you can see it quite clearly in written manifest.

To let you all in on what I have found out about this would take a couple of years and many pages on SF...and so, I'll just leave it there.