Bible Contradiction

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Ok - first a reminder - the Father cals forth creation from out of nowhere and no time,the void empty silence - the SELF AWARENESS OF MIND,LITERALLY causes the outside world of form,to be created....Let it sink in...

"Everyone pays the wages of their sins" -

This is because MIND causes CREATION to happen....This ability is KARMA,and i is unstoppable - even this limited ignroant mind here,CAUSES CREATION to happen,in the form of the INDIVIDUAL LIFE - so yes indeed,everyone IS being paid their dues,as THEIR MIND is LITERALLY CREATING THEIR LIFE and bringing their experiene to them...

The wages of sin are DEATH - and this is because the mortal sin filled mind,fully believes it IS mortal,perishable,finite..Whenthe body dies,thismind must die to,its belief IN th ebody MUST die too - and that leaves only sSOul,in ignroanc eo fSelf,it will trap itself HERE AGAIN - REINCARNATE here again,as mortal life is all it knows and accepts as valid...Again - Self ignorance - lower mortal mnd - IS Sin..The mind wil CREATE that which you believe your Self to BE...This is unstoppable KARMA..

SO - in a basic but VERY REAL sense - create here with THIS sin filled lower mind - we create a life of trouble,anguish,jealously,hate,spite - we create haphazardly,as mind changes constantly,desire changes constantly - and so life ebbs and flows for us,contrary and unpredictable..this is the POVERTY of self that Chirst speaks of - THIS IS SIN....

OR - unfiy the mind then use THAT PRESENCE to guide the CREATION - bourne of UNITY,and expressed thus as LOVE,comapssion,empathy for all,equality for all - brotherhood and acceptance For ALL - life so created is benevolant,happy,content and joyous - the Fathers Kingdom revealed THROUGH the unified mind..Thy Kingdom Come,Thy Will be done....

For those with ears to hear...

Originally Posted by Tristran

When everybody, reaches Judgment Day: if they are Born Again they will have the ultimate lawyer standing beside them who will make YHWH forgive them of all the sins that they committed.

If they are not Born Again they will stand alone. Only those sinners who know everything since Day 1 and before will stand a chance of saying the right things and being forgiven.

Everyone pays the wages for their sins. Its the final destination that matters.

Jesus will keep the spirit being judged in Heaven. The lone spirit will descend.

And being born again = Ephesians 4:22-24-- one must strip off the old personality( worker of iniquity) and put on the new personality( righteousness)( living to do Gods will)---- not so easy an accomplishment in a satan ruled world. The only way to win = Matt 16:24--one must disown themselves to follow Jesus--- Then one can apply this ultra important truth Jesus gave to all, but few do---- Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality) then one can accomplish this--John 4:22-24

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by 333xforever

I'm going to make this simple and clear, so I want a simple and clear answer. No long paragraphs: I will NOT read them, thanks :)
If you can't explain this simply in a paragraph or less, then don't bother. Because you probably don't know the answer.


Lucifer sinned because he wanted to be higher than God.
Here: Revelation 21:27, it says nothing sinful will ever enter heaven.
Also here: Job 1:6, it says Lucifer(Satan) visited God, so obviously in heaven.

How did Lucifer sin, if sin can't exist in heaven?


Lets go deeper. Where did the sin come from that overtook Lucifer? A higher power of evil?

Ego is equated with both sin, and evil. We are misinformed about ego.
- Yes, that is why satan, formerly an archangel, was ejected and fell, and in Revelation we read, with a third of the angels in Heaven. Which, it is borne out with study, is humanity.
You and I...
Please answer in a paragraph or less. Why don't you mature, and get serious?
Your very soul is at stake. Saved means rescued, as by Another. Grace means, "unmerited favor".
Also, it is the Savior Himself Who said, "You must be born again."
"That which is born of flesh is flesh. That which is born of Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, you must be born again." He also said, "Do not throw your pearls among swine. Lest they turn again and rend you."
What are you doing here posing questions in order to stump believers?
Think seriously about what you need.

Tristan? There is an end to reincarnation, and there is a judgement.
Which is near.

[Tristran]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Tristan? There is an end to reincarnation, and there is a judgement.
Which is near.

Reincarnation could very well end after 23rd September depending on the result is of the experiment at CERN.

How many spirits would want to reincarnate into a world where anti-matter is out of control ? Answer: Zero

As for Judgment Day, that is at least 1010 years away.
False Tribulation 3.5 years + real 7 year Tribulation + Jesus's 1000 year rule.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by 333xforever

Lets go deeper. Where did the sin come from that overtook Lucifer? A higher power of evil?

When God created Adam from the clay of the earth, all of the angles and watchers were told to bow down and serve the human Adam. The watcher Satan refused to bow down to the human and God cast Satan out of heaven. Satan asked for a term with the humans and God granted it to Satan for the term of time that humans are on earth. Satan is a watcher and humans and watchers will both be judged by God on the Last Day. Angels and watchers are both born from fire (the stars). The watchers are angels before they are judged, just like humans are judged and then raised to an eternal body. (The Book of Enoch explains the watchers as does the Qur'an, they are called jinn in the Qur'an.)

The reason why Satan repelled is explained in the Secret Book of John (the Gnostic Scriptures). Satan is actually the spirit of Wisdom and that is why it is the most perfect spirit. It is pure Wisdom, but it is Wisdom without its partner known as Insight. God needed to create Wisdom to be so wise that it would fall in love with itself and not serve anything but itself. Wisdom should have bonded with Insight to create the perfect reality, but God wanted to push it as far as Wisdom could go. So Wisdom was allowed to bond with itself and that is why there is so much dis-function in the world. It is actually the test for humanity. Do we serve our self? Thinking we are the wise know it all, or can we bond insight (understanding)with wisdom to produce Knowledge.

mj

[Deepsoul]

Being led by the Holy Spirit is definetly the wisest God given intuition to date I know...and the best decision for me

[theophilus]

Originally Posted by 333xforever

I'm going to make this simple and clear, so I want a simple and clear answer. No long paragraphs: I will NOT read them, thanks :)
If you can't explain this simply in a paragraph or less, then don't bother. Because you probably don't know the answer.

Lucifer sinned because he wanted to be higher than God.
Here: Revelation 21:27, it says nothing sinful will ever enter heaven.
Also here: Job 1:6, it says Lucifer(Satan) visited God, so obviously in heaven.

How did Lucifer sin, if sin can't exist in heaven?

Lets go deeper. Where did the sin come from that overtook Lucifer? A higher power of evil?

The last two chapters of Revelation are describing a time in the future when a new Heaven and a new earth will have been created. This follows chapter 20 in which the creation is cleansed of evil and all who have done evil have been condemned to the lake of fire. The book of Job reveals that at the present time Satan does have some access to Heaven but that will not be true in the future.

The Bible doesn't give any information about how Lucifer sinned but apparently he was the originator of sin and it didn't come to him from any outside source.

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

MJ ;

The reason why Satan repelled is explained in the Secret Book of John (the Gnostic Scriptures). Satan is actually the spirit of Wisdom and that is why it is the most perfect spirit. It is pure Wisdom, but it is Wisdom without its partner known as Insight.

Im sorry - but this is COMPLETLY misinformed....You will NOT FIND MENTION OF SATAN ANYWHERE in that gospel...The Spirit of Wdsom,is Sofia - MOTHER and sole creator of the CREATURE that we will later come to know as "satan/devil" - THIS creature,is actually the jewish "god" who has many names - we know it as yahweh - Christ says this creature is NOT GOD at all,but rather,is a mere ANGEL itself...

te confusion comes about because as said - there are TWO NARRATIVES - one of the Father,and th eother of yahweh,who is NOT the Father....The bible simply doesnt know the truth,as it is DICTATED BY YAHWEH through his prophets - thus,we mortals only get HALF the truth,at best - for the rest,we NEED CHRIST - and HE said directly,that this ANGEL,who will come to be named yahweh,first,RESEMBLES A DRAGON - and second,HE said,this DRAGOIN GETS CAST OUT of the realm of the true Divine,His mother Sofia HIDES IT OUT OF SHAME !!

CHRIST SAID THAT - She makes a MISTAKE - an ERROR,creates alone WITHOUT Christ,and the result is the ANGEL YAHWEH - it LOOKS LIKE A DRAGON HE says,so out of fear and shame,Sofia CASTS IT OUT OF HEAVEN !!

See clearly the bible decpeption....the Angel yahweh,IS the one we know as "satan",devil..Things attributed TO satan in the bible,ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO YAHWEH...the satan narative is a PARODY of yahwehs own CREATION and origns...

The satan narrative in the bible,is further twisted truth,added as events proceeded...For instance - TWO SEPERATE REALMS - the true Divne above,and HERE this lower ream of yahweh....A VEIL OF LIGHT seperates,hides and conceals,one from the other,and NOBODY HERE,knows ANYTHING about the other higher realm....Then,Sofai AND Christ togehter,ordained manner,create PERFECTION - a humanoform created in the relam of the true Divine,and named by Christ as ADAMUS.....

THIS creation,destroys that concealing veil,an now,these two seperate realms,are fully aware of each other...A lower angel HERE,LUCIFER,we are tolds inthe bible,wishes to "ascend above god" - in truth - he wishes to know and encounter directly this new and SUPERIOR DIVINITY that they have all just witnessed - but this jealous petty god here,forbids them all - declares tiself supreme god,tells its angels NO you may not investigate,forbids any fro ascending to the realm of the true Divine....THIS narrative of the Adamus creation,and the angel Lucifer questioning yahweh,is also tacked onto this "satan character",as the bible continues to PARODY TRUTH of REAL EVENTS that directly happened,according TO Christ Himself - and He should know if any Soul ever knew at all,as HE IS THE LIVING DIVINITY,full Divine Presence - and HE has already given us full tuth of the hebre god and OUR creation - NOWHERE DOES HE MENTION SATAN - EVER !!!

Again - I remind you all - SIN - is a STATE OF MIND - a state of IGORANT MIND - indeed - that gospel,SECRET John,is vey illuminating about the NATURE OF MIND - for as I always say,Chirst IS speaking always about MInd,a fuly ABSTRACT,insubstantial PRESENCE that is the Father...To put it in the simlpest terms then - SIN,is from the mind of a CREATURE - Grace,its opposite,the thing we seek,is from the mind of the CREATOR !!

Therefore - any form that is CREATED - any individual Sentient mind abiding WITHIN that form,is LESS than the FULL Divine Presence,and is by definition a mind of SIN - lesser,lower,indiviidualised...Sin NEVER entered into "heaven" then - as the Home of the TRUE Divine,is the abode OF the full Divine Presence -whole Triune MINd - sin free by definiton..

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by PeteC-UK

Hi Folks..

MJ ;

Im sorry - but this is COMPLETLY misinformed....You will NOT FIND MENTION OF SATAN ANYWHERE in that gospel...The Spirit of Wdsom,is Sofia - MOTHER and sole creator of the CREATURE that we will later come to know as "satan/devil" - THIS creature,is actually the jewish "god" who has many names - we know it as yahweh - Christ says this creature is NOT GOD at all,but rather,is a mere ANGEL itself...

te confusion comes about because as said - there are TWO NARRATIVES - one of the Father,and th eother of yahweh,who is NOT the Father....The bible simply doesnt know the truth,as it is DICTATED BY YAHWEH through his prophets - thus,we mortals only get HALF the truth,at best - for the rest,we NEED CHRIST - and HE said directly,that this ANGEL,who will come to be named yahweh,first,RESEMBLES A DRAGON - and second,HE said,this DRAGOIN GETS CAST OUT of the realm of the true Divine,His mother Sofia HIDES IT OUT OF SHAME !!

CHRIST SAID THAT - She makes a MISTAKE - an ERROR,creates alone WITHOUT Christ,and the result is the ANGEL YAHWEH - it LOOKS LIKE A DRAGON HE says,so out of fear and shame,Sofia CASTS IT OUT OF HEAVEN !!

See clearly the bible decpeption....the Angel yahweh,IS the one we know as "satan",devil..Things attributed TO satan in the bible,ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO YAHWEH...the satan narative is a PARODY of yahwehs own CREATION and origns...

The satan narrative in the bible,is further twisted truth,added as events proceeded...For instance - TWO SEPERATE REALMS - the true Divne above,and HERE this lower ream of yahweh....A VEIL OF LIGHT seperates,hides and conceals,one from the other,and NOBODY HERE,knows ANYTHING about the other higher realm....Then,Sofai AND Christ togehter,ordained manner,create PERFECTION - a humanoform created in the relam of the true Divine,and named by Christ as ADAMUS.....

THIS creation,destroys that concealing veil,an now,these two seperate realms,are fully aware of each other...A lower angel HERE,LUCIFER,we are tolds inthe bible,wishes to "ascend above god" - in truth - he wishes to know and encounter directly this new and SUPERIOR DIVINITY that they have all just witnessed - but this jealous petty god here,forbids them all - declares tiself supreme god,tells its angels NO you may not investigate,forbids any fro ascending to the realm of the true Divine....THIS narrative of the Adamus creation,and the angel Lucifer questioning yahweh,is also tacked onto this "satan character",as the bible continues to PARODY TRUTH of REAL EVENTS that directly happened,according TO Christ Himself - and He should know if any Soul ever knew at all,as HE IS THE LIVING DIVINITY,full Divine Presence - and HE has already given us full tuth of the hebre god and OUR creation - NOWHERE DOES HE MENTION SATAN - EVER !!!

Again - I remind you all - SIN - is a STATE OF MIND - a state of IGORANT MIND - indeed - that gospel,SECRET John,is vey illuminating about the NATURE OF MIND - for as I always say,Chirst IS speaking always about MInd,a fuly ABSTRACT,insubstantial PRESENCE that is the Father...To put it in the simlpest terms then - SIN,is from the mind of a CREATURE - Grace,its opposite,the thing we seek,is from the mind of the CREATOR !!

Therefore - any form that is CREATED - any individual Sentient mind abiding WITHIN that form,is LESS than the FULL Divine Presence,and is by definition a mind of SIN - lesser,lower,indiviidualised...Sin NEVER entered into "heaven" then - as the Home of the TRUE Divine,is the abode OF the full Divine Presence -whole Triune MINd - sin free by definiton..

Pete, so I stated prior Jesus' word's about satan falling from Heaven like lightning.

He was also tempted in the wilderness by the same.
Then there was Peter's trial by satan at the passion of the Savior. Your claims of satan not being in the Gospels is contrived, and errant.
So,you've gone some distance wayward from Truth.
Also while the spurious writings are interesting to read, they are meanderings and curious musings without any source of origin.
Unlike the Gospels which have reference to the Old Testament writings and prophesies. Which writings are well confirmed in finds like the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Sin is about the fall, and Ego. Ego is about self preservation of the organic aspect, as is seen also in the animal world.
We have been misinformed, and mistaught about ego.
The former angel Lucifer fell because of Ego, and pride therein. As is attested to in scripture, with him and by the tail of the "dragon", a third of all the angelic fell with him to this (comparitive) illusory material dimension, in time and space.

TRISTAN?
You haven't yet thought things through entirely. Eternity and the timeless is the Truth, and greater reality. What is reincarnation then, in light of this?

Linear time is an illusion as modern science attests to, and there is an end to it.

[Tristran]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

What is reincarnation then, in light of this?
Linear time is an illusion as modern science attests to, and there is an end to it.

Can you answer these questions and i will see if i am on the same page.

If i am, then i will see if i have a answer.