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Old 18-02-2014, 05:54 PM
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I do understand your point, but imo stuggling
in this world is a good thing, in the end the poor and the meek
will inherit the kingdom!

but if people want to chase after worldly things and all the comforts in it,
good for them, after all didn't Jesus own a nice house.

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Hi Matthew, :)

"Nice house" as in he lived in the Kingdom of his Father? ;)

Ah, this is one point we will have to disagree on Matthew...
Struggle is the very last thing this life is for, imo.
Freedom, joy, fulfillment, spiritual growth leading to wisdom and knowledge of Reality is
what I consider good things...struggle not being part of any of those.
We could go round and round...yes, with struggle we learn...God turns anything into good.
But, struggle is not part of my life...any longer...when we know how things work here,
struggle disappears...as Jesus tried to show us....again, imo.


Now, I must go look up what I read last month on the multiple meanings of meek...
as used back then...
Darn it....where was it...bec it was not what we now think of as meek.
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Old 18-02-2014, 05:57 PM
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Jesus wasn't rated by the people in the neighbourhood in which he grew up apparently!
They knew him best and didn't regard him as special!
Old news...your point?
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Old 18-02-2014, 05:59 PM
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Well yes, religion has surely polluted the waters of Christ's teachings.

LOL it's all religion. People like to think they have the True(tm) spirituality and that everything else is 'just religion'. It's all religion.. where do you think meditation came from, or ideas like 'everything is God', or the 'God is within you?' Secular society eats it up with pleasure then curses the hand that feeds it lol. News flash, we aren't any better or more spiritual than 'those religious people' -- we are the same. We just think we are, because we're part of the same vicious cycle that we accuse others of.
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Old 18-02-2014, 05:59 PM
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Hi Folks..

Quirky; How so..?..He didnt grow up in the areas He "preached" in,because simply,His family fled to Egypt and He spent His formative years there in exile..Indeed,there is evidence even that He had travelled India also as a child,His parents probably moving on always seeking work and shelter - strangers in strange lands until the polotics changed and they return home..

Certainly His true teaching,the metaphysical aspects is deeply connected to ancint Indian traditon,Vedanta,Kundalini especially..There is repeated emphasis on being alone,silent when we commune with the Father,and this is surely MEDITATION..Indeed,the whole of the early jewish arcana is parallel to the eastern disciplines at that fundamental metaphysical level,because simply,just a few hundred years before this timeframe,there was only ONE spiritual foundation,and all knew its truth..Somehow,for various reasons cited in various traditiots,mankind "fell" from this former state,and basically started again,soicaly speaking..The "Flood of Noah" again,has been proved to be a real world even that actually happened,probably around 6000BC as we coun ttime now..

There is agret deal of TRUTH here,dotn get me wrong..Its based on authetic Divine knowledge...Its just that the last 1700 years especially,this knowledge has ben manipulated,with held,used to dominate and literally enslave a whole world..Yeshua speaks of UNITY,love for brotherhood of man where all are equal and where all people ar e ALREADY inherantly Divine..The established religon directly contravenes this core ..He didnt come to Save you all from wicked sin and eternl damnation in a fictitous hell - He came to show you who you are,and thus you will save your Self..
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Old 18-02-2014, 07:26 PM
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I love what you said and I'm with you!!!
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Old 18-02-2014, 10:03 PM
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The established religon directly contravenes this core ..He didnt come to Save you all from wicked sin and eternl damnation in a fictitous hell - He came to show you who you are,and thus you will save your Self..
Everyone is innocent and there is no such thing as consequences. Religion is evil and we are good. lol

Let's borrow ideas from religion and call it Truth(tm), then ridicule religion and look down on those who believe in it. We are such mature and good-hearted people. See the halo on our heads evil religion? lol
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Old 19-02-2014, 03:39 AM
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Now don't get me wrong, I think there is inestimable value in Jesus' teachings. He emphasised love, compassion, non-judgment, repentance, and humility, amongst other things, and in my view he was right to do so. 'Get your own house in order,' he seems to be saying - and rightly so. Also, he points the way to the realisation of one's own divinity.

But it seems to me that an awful lot of Christians put the emphasis on the man, and not the teachings. They put Jesus on a pedestal, and act unworthy of him, and to me it just seems like passing the buck - 'I'm imperfect, but Jesus is perfect, so I'll look to him to save me,' they seem to be saying. They may pay lip-service to his teachings, but so often they don't appear to actually live it.

But heck, maybe I'm wrong - I'm open to different perspectives on the subject. Anyone got any thoughts?

I see Christianity, for the masses, as a kind of holding pattern in that it suits so many people and allows them a life that could be significantly more turbulent so in that respect it's a good thing... almost like the loveliest prison ever and hardly even like a prison except the walls are words and images of how life should be.

But that's only the masses and theres nothing within Christianity stopping people finding the deeper more profound realisations written as pointers within the Bible... and consequently Christianity has been the springboard for many into the Divine.

Even now when acquaintances mention tarot cards I cringe a little but no way I'll tell them it's silly... it's where they're at and it's good they've even gotten there.

It is sad there is so little emphasis on the role of ego in Christianity but churches need support to exist and it's somehow a fairly small price to pay that they disregard all out enlightenment for a cult of personality given the overall spread of relative peace in the world which has alot to do with Christianity.

It's just normal group psychology that most will endevour to use any teachings just to stabilise the group as it is and without undue change whilst a small percentage will lokk deeper and find a way to enlighten themselves.
Christians are not exempt from this.
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Old 19-02-2014, 04:31 AM
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almost like the loveliest prison ever and hardly even like a prison except the walls are words and images of how life should be.
LOL someone might see your beliefs as a prison. Everyone sees themselves as enlightened and the other as wrong. Everyone is the same as everyone else, we share a mass delusion of superiority over each other.

People are so sure of themselves they can ridicule Christianity in their own forum and mods do nothing. Even the Christians ridicule their own religion. And everyone feels justified by their beliefs. Fascinating.
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Old 19-02-2014, 05:34 AM
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I see my beliefs as a prison! I do but don't worry Seawolf, I am aware of my inadequacies and hypocracies... it kinda goes with the territory. I doubt though that I'm superior to anyone as as soon as I might I always get an almighty shove in the direction of humility and almighty shoves of the spiritual sort aren't the same, in my opinion, as the physical sort. Be well!
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Old 19-02-2014, 05:47 AM
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I see my beliefs as a prison! I do but don't worry Seawolf, I am aware of my inadequacies and hypocracies... it kinda goes with the territory. I doubt though that I'm superior to anyone as as soon as I might I always get an almighty shove in the direction of humility and almighty shoves of the spiritual sort aren't the same, in my opinion, as the physical sort. Be well!
I look at it like when we point the finger at someone else or a group we've got 4 fingers pointing back at us. Yeah I'm aware of how full of it I am as well, sometimes anyway lol.

There's so much error in human thinking (even the 'smart' ones) that we're becoming aware of now in scientific studies. It's worse than I could have imagined. It's funny that we've based on our secular society on the superiority of reason over faith, and see ourselves as fairly logical.. and we really aren't at all. We're just the same as the 'other side'.. those religious dogmatic folk. That's a good reason for me to be doubtful of being right.
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