***YOGA***

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RedEmbers

Is anyone doing some Onion Yoga today?! lol?

I am off to unpeel some more layers at the pool... HAHAHAHA...

Geez sorry folks for my atrocious jokes... i didn't realise how bad it was until I read it back to myself!

Hey my yin class tonight, I might tap into the yin onion flow. God help us all if everyone taps into it though. We could end up with some very explosive releases of the
"Not so sweet kind"..

[RedEmbers]

So I just got back from my swim... applying all of these ideas to my process.

I got to the centre of nothingness and stayed there as long as I could...

Beyond the core there really is nothing, unless you were to get anothet onion and start again.

So here I am swimming in the centre of nothing... what now? Life goes on around me and I become much more passively immersed into the all which is contained around the nothing.

I find this nothingness aspect confuses me because it doesn't fit very well into the "doingness" ( I have a bout of the "ness" flu as well).
Doing... acting... participating takes on a whole new meaning...

I'm going to start another thread as I grapple with this, as it has little to do with onions!

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RedEmbers

So I just got back from my swim... applying all of these ideas to my process.

I got to the centre of nothingness and stayed there as long as I could...

Beyond the core there really is nothing, unless you were to get anothet onion and start again.

So here I am swimming in the centre of nothing... what now? Life goes on around me and I become much more passively immersed into the all which is contained around the nothing.

I find this nothingness aspect confuses me because it doesn't fit very well into the "doingness" ( I have a bout of the "ness" flu as well).
Doing... acting... participating takes on a whole new meaning...

I'm going to start another thread as I grapple with this, as it has little to do with onions!

Life goes on...

And your aware of something new..

Life goes on...

[RedEmbers]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Life goes on...

And your aware of something new..

Life goes on...

Very true, very true...
There is peace in that statement if I sit with it for a while... accepting it for what it is.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RedEmbers

Very true, very true...
There is peace in that statement if I sit with it for a while... accepting it for what it is.

Yes in the noticing you can go deeper into the nothingness awareness and build as much of anything or everything you wish to relate yourself as in this way of "feeling" connected and peace can arise in this way..

A question arose to ask you just now while I was making my lemon drink. ( I hope you don't mind me asking)

In entering that space of nothingness in the pool, if you ask yourself both in the pool (aware of yourself as you were) and away from the pool just moving through life day to day. Do I feel complete? How would you respond to that?

[RedEmbers]

It is certainly a wonderful question that is for sure.

The answer right now is 'yes'... so long as I remain connected to the me which is whole.

Intersting what other answers presented themselves to me when you posed that question.

I've been doing some balancing in terms of the dual creative energies... when I thought that my experience of creating where I either feel incomplete and I seek to feel complete through creative expression which invents realities to make itself feel complete again...
or I create from completeness where the driving motivation is to expand further into completness and express its completeness.

And then anothed thought about the infinity of movement and stillness arose... and the place of stillness amongst all the movement... and the role of stillness in creativity.

And now those thoughts are all unfolding as I post a reply here

I see that you posted a very good poem about this matter which seems to very adequately express these ideas.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RedEmbers

It is certainly a wonderful question that is for sure.

The answer right now is 'yes'... so long as I remain connected to the me which is whole.

Intersting what other answers presented themselves to me when you posed that question.

I've been doing some balancing in terms of the dual creative energies... when I thought that my experience of creating where I either feel incomplete and I seek to feel complete through creative expression which invents realities to make itself feel complete again...
or I create from completeness where the driving motivation is to expand further into completness and express its completeness.

And then anothed thought about the infinity of movement and stillness arose... and the place of stillness amongst all the movement... and the role of stillness in creativity.

And now those thoughts are all unfolding as I post a reply here

I see that you posted a very good poem about this matter which seems to very adequately express these ideas.

I love your open mind and curiosity RedEmbers. And I love how you progressed through your own awareness in that moment I asked.

[naturesflow]

What you share further is interesting about the dual creative energies.

I remember as a child I created skewed realities to cope and survive. IN the process of letting go of my own separation (which was quite real for me in terms of feeling connected and creating more open and not suppressed) I noticed those altered realities came back into the picture as part of my own process to open me deeper to forge into the completeness. It was just like you moving in and out expanding and opening, noticing the shifts and noticing when I would move back into those created realities. But interestingly looking back at that, it all served me to build a more grounded flow of utilizing any or all of that in new creative ways of itself.

I see this more like I can access the stream of my own creations where I can continuously reinvent myself through them, integrate them deeper, but all the while, not losing myself in them, more utilizing myself as them and opening through them to move back into my own wholeness aware (more complete in feeling) as I create whatever way they might call me to use..

[kisalipa]

----True Essence of Yoga-----

Imaginary Chakras & Lotus flowers: Yoga is the most prestigious field of spiritualism. People think about 6 wheels (Chakras) or lotus flowers present in the spinal card, which are not seen by the eyes. They are imaginary and so they carry some inner meaning. When you say a face as a moon, fools search for moon in that face. But, wise people see similarity in the face and moon. Similarly, wheels and lotus flowers should not be searched in the spinal card. Spinal card is the main nerve, representing mind, which is the base of love. All these wheels or lotus flowers are the bonds of love in the various relatives like parents, wife or husband, children etc. They are compared to wheels or the revolving whirlpools in the ocean, which attract a swimmer and drown him. Similarly, these love wheels are compared to lotus flowers, since the lotus flowers attract the bee by sweet fragrance and bind it. Similarly, these love flowers attract any one and bind them. 'Kundalini' is the mind which is the energy traveling as waves like a serpent, should cross all these love wheels connected to 7th lotus flower in the head called 'Sahasrara', which is Buddhi or intelligence that takes the decision, which is the firm love on God.

The Bhagavat Gita is called as the main scripture of yoga (yoga-sastra). Why there is not even single reference to these wheels or lotus flowers in anywhere in the Gita or even in Upanishads? Since they are not real, they are not even mentioned. The author of the Gita is Krishna, who is called Master of yoga (Yogeswara). Krishna also says that the real yoga was lost since long (Sa kaleneha mahata...). This means that in the beginning, Sages in India knew the real yoga and loved God only crossing all their family bonds. In due course of time only, this true yoga was lost. Why? The middle age Indians were unable to cross their family bonds and so failed to succeed in yoga. They wanted to cover their in ability by twisting the very concept of yoga. The family bonds were removed from the concept and only wheels or lotus flowers are left fixed.

Now, they close the eyes and say that they have seen the lotus flowers or wheels, which are only imaginary. Now they cross these wheels by their imaginary 'Kundalini' and say that they have succeeded in yoga. These blind teachers are also not to be blamed, because they were trained like that by their blind teachers. This misinterpretation was done long time back and hence, even at the time of Krishna, He told that yoga was lost since a long time. We cannot catch those original culprits, who were the top most twisting masters and so the present tradition also cannot be blamed. Only rectification is the way left over. Some say that they see light, which is only an imagination. After all, the mind is a form of energy and on its concentration imaginary light can be imagined. Instead of such a week light, you better see a strong light with your open eyes. What is the use of these imaginary lights and colours, without achieving the Lord through your love, which excels the various worldly loves?

I pity the foreigners, who are trapped in this false imaginary line of yoga, who are wasting their precious lifetime and energy. In fact, they are the best to succeed in yoga, if the reality of the yoga is exposed. Their family bonds are very weak and their love towards God is real, which is proved by their huge sacrifice of money to God's work. Money is the fruit of work and its sacrifice for God's work is 'Karma phala tyaga' as mentioned in the Gita. Again, the middle age Indians twisted this word 'Karma phala tyaga' as sacrifice of the fruit of the work like praying God instead of sacrifice of money. The reason was that these Indians were unable to sacrifice money to God due to their strong love on their children. Foreigners ask their children to earn after certain age. Indians store money even for ten generations and still continue to store only. Since prayers, meditation and knowledge are very much diverted to God, India was blessed by God with good language, good mind and good knowledge. Since foreigners are good in sacrifice, God blessed them with good wealth. Even Indian spiritual centers were strongly funded by foreigners only. Swami Vivekananda cried, 'Why my India suffers with poverty in spite of so much spiritual knowledge?' Sacrifice of money (Karma phala tyaga) and sacrifice of work (karma Sanyasa) put together constitute the God's service, which is the real yoga (real proof of love) called 'karma yoga' in the Gita. Foreigners are the best in this karma yoga and so they easily succeed in yoga. Throughout the Gita, this karma yoga was explained as yoga and wheels or lotus flowers are not at all mentioned.

[kisalipa]

True Interpretation of Sahasrara

Kundalini represents the life energy. When it is passing through wheels, it is in the state of mind i.e., it doubts whether to do this way or that way (Samkalpa and Vikalpa). For e.g. When it is in Anahata wheel, it thinks whether one should love God in human form more than the children or not? When it reaches 'Sahasrara' which is the state of intelligence (Buddhi), it decides that highest love should be on God in human form. Even after taking that decision, the decision is split when that God in human form starts testing by exhibiting negative nature (Maya) and various petals of the 'Sahasrara' lotus flower represent this split of decision. When this split disappears, you reach to take the central part of the lotus flower i.e., a single firm decision to believe that human form of God as the ultimate truth. The whole essence of yoga is like this. You pass from mind to intelligence without split. i.e., you leave all the doubts about the human form of God and dedicate all your firm love to Him even if He tests you and finally associate with him. If you never fall from this state, it is called 'Nirvikalpa Samadhi' which is the 8th state of yoga. Gopikas, who were real yogis, reached this state and Lord Krishna in human form was Yogishwara. Their association was yoga.

Sahasrara is the lotus flower with many petals, represents intelligence (Buddhi) and the petals represent various decisions taken by the intelligence. This shows that the Buddhi, which is nothing but the decision, is divided in several ways. At the centre of Sahasrara, the real God i.e., Datta is present. The centre part of the lotus flower is joined with all the petals. That means all the different decisions combine to become a single central decision at this place. Real God exists there at that central point. This means deciding the human form of one God, which is correctly recognised is that single central division. To divide the human form of God, Buddhi splits and takes various decisions at various times which are represented by the various petals. To decide the human incarnation of God, it is very complicated matter, which is called the 'knowledge of God' (Brahma Jnana).

Therefore, Brahma Jnana (Brahma vidya) is very difficult. If we say that God has no form and is pervading all over the world, like cosmic energy, there is no trace of difficulty to understand. If you say that God is a particular statue, again there is no trace of difficulty to understand it. But, when we say that a particular man is God, there will be various splits in our decisions, because that particular human body also follows the usual laws of nature. That particular human body further complicated the topic by showing some misleading negative actions to test our faith. Hanuman worshipped the Rama, who was in human form present at his time. Radha worshipped Krishna in human form only present at her time. Jesus was also in human form and Mohammad was also in human form. Loves with human beings can be obstacles only, when God in human form competes with them. If the God is formless or a statue, loves with human beings cannot be obstacles, because a formless thing or a statue cannot compete with human beings. Krishna competed with family bonds of Gopikas in human form. This is the true interpretation of Sahasrara.