Logical Mind fights Spiritual Mind

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by cydonia1978

I'm not sure I have a question specifically here, I just wanted to say it's really great to see this topic in this forum and to see other spiritual people exploring the scientific side too.

'Side' is a key word. Most people take sides mentally and emotionally. It's very rare to find someone who doesn't on a big issue that people tend to take personally. We live in a very divided society in many ways.

The main reason is that humans are not actually that reasonable or logical,as studies have found. We are very delusional, even the smart people. We take sides and filter everything through our 'unintelligent' brains. lol :-)

p.s.I've been reading You Are Not So Smart

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

'Side' is a key word. Most people take sides mentally and emotionally. It's very rare to find someone who doesn't on a big issue that people tend to take personally. We live in a very divided society in many ways.

The main reason is that humans are not actually that reasonable or logical,as studies have found. We are very delusional, even the smart people. We take sides and filter everything through our 'unintelligent' brains. lol :-)

p.s.I've been reading You Are Not So Smart

Speak for yourself on who is divided with science and spirituality. Just because it exists and you believe it does not make it so. Many have worked hard and long to start to combine these words.

Insulting someone is your only defense, and reference for proof? Weak...

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Sammy

Speak for yourself on who is divided with science and spirituality. Just because it exists and you believe it does not make it so. Many have worked hard and long to start to combine these words.

Insulting someone is your only defense, and reference for proof? Weak...

Your response kind of validates what I said about people taking sides and not seeing clearly. I didn't insult anyone lol, I was talking about human thinking patterns, which we all have. Maybe you're not familiar with all the scientific research on how the human mind deludes itself, it is pretty new I suppose.

I provided a reference in my post, I mentioned a book that has a basic compilation of some of that research. Or do you expect people to respect a certain branch of research, the kind you are in favor of, but reject another branch if it personally offends you?

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

p.s.I've been reading You Are Not So Smart

Ahh I see, perhaps you should work on your phrasing....

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

Your response kind of validates what I said about people taking sides and not seeing clearly. I didn't insult anyone lol, I was talking about human thinking patterns, which we all have. Maybe you're not familiar with all the scientific research on how the human mind deludes itself, it is pretty new I suppose.

I provided a reference in my post, I mentioned a book that has a basic compilation of some of that research. Or do you expect people to respect a certain branch of research, the kind you are in favor of, but reject another branch if it personally offends you?

I expect every person to represent what they can cover, and leave it at that. We all have our 2 cents to add, and if we have learned anything on this planet it would be, there is no 1 way to do something. If there is no clear 1 way, it could be anything. Even science/spirituality, promoting a growth in mind. You simply stated it was all delusional, where no growth is promoted.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Sammy

I expect every person to represent what they can cover, and leave it at that. We all have our 2 cents to add, and if we have learned anything on this planet it would be, there is no 1 way to do something. If there is no clear 1 way, it could be anything. Even science/spirituality, promoting a growth in mind. You simply stated it was all delusional, where no growth is promoted.

I would go back and read my original post again. I was trying to convey that there is not much scientific research on the spiritual because people take sides instead of being approaching it without bias. At the same time, those in favor of spirituality are biased towards it as well. Finding someone who is neither for or against and willing to do research is very rare. I was saying that the problem stems from the way the human mind works, that we are not as logical as we think we are, according to studies.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

I would go back and read my original post again. I was trying to convey that there is not much scientific research on the spiritual because people take sides instead of being approaching it without bias. At the same time, those in favor of spirituality are biased towards it as well. Finding someone who is neither for or against and willing to do research is very rare. I was saying that the problem stems from the way the human mind works, that we are not as logical as we think we are, according to studies.

It was a miscommunication, no worries. I was just quoting where it happened. I maybe would say "I have been reading certain books, we are not so smart". To avoid confusion in the statement.

I do agree many people have drawn a line. However I have made it my life work to erase those lines. I did this starting with sciences/physics and spirituality.

I also agree we are not as logical as we would like to think. As we can see from this debacle, things fly off the handle quickly. We are good at using tools though. Logic can be a tool like this for the mind. If our logical tool is minimal in use and maximized in efficiency, it would produce greater results with less effort. If the tool is infallible, only our choices within it could be blamed for error and not the system. I also apologize for my error.

[Tobi]

If your heart is 'in the right place', you will be given an opportunity (don't know when or how) for your spiritual awareness to blend with your logical mind, in some form of 'evidence' which will be personal evidence but will be strong enough to make you certain. N.B. This may not necessarily be the sort of evidence you can completely convey to others, as you may not be able to translate experiences in one dimension into 'empirical proofs' in another dimension, for others to observe objectively.
But you will receive enough to make you sure.

A marriage between the logical mind and the heart is a good blessing to receive.

You do NOT have to 'give up' the logical mind. But let it participate!

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Sammy

It was a miscommunication, no worries. I was just quoting where it happened. I maybe would say "I have been reading certain books, we are not so smart". To avoid confusion in the statement.

I do agree many people have drawn a line. However I have made it my life work to erase those lines. I did this starting with sciences/physics and spirituality.

I also agree we are not as logical as we would like to think. As we can see from this debacle, things fly off the handle quickly. We are good at using tools though. Logic can be a tool like this for the mind. If our logical tool is minimal in use and maximized in efficiency, it would produce greater results with less effort. If the tool is infallible, only our choices within it could be blamed for error and not the system. I also apologize for my error.

No problem. Sorry for the confusion on my part.

Have you heard of a the research by Bem? It was discredited afterwards but I don't know how valid that was, considering it was pretty controversial. Bem did respond to the accusations though.

btw props for doing research, that's a brave thing to do in this day and age with all of the taboos in science about it.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

No problem. Sorry for the confusion on my part.

Have you heard of a the research by Bem? It was discredited afterwards but I don't know how valid that was, considering it was pretty controversial. Bem did respond to the accusations though.

btw props for doing research, that's a brave thing to do in this day and age with all of the taboos in science about it.

I will do some digging on Bem and let ya know what I think. Its news to me!

Thank you for saying so, I will say until more recently and even still here and there. It does mimic a battle. Only now the struggle is concluding toward a resolve, and not a stale mate. To which I am most grateful.

I recently compiled a new version of my work. It was kind of three different aspects I had been working on, combined in hopes to be easier to understand and connect to. Here is the link, I am always working on it so any opinions is always welcomed!

http://a406.proboards.com/thread/1193/mind-tool?page=1