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Old 21-11-2016, 08:28 PM
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I would recommend Jeff and LU also.

Hows it going Jonesboy? Nice to see you on here.
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Old 21-11-2016, 09:06 PM
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People with silence in the mind can talk a lot. I do. Silence just means the mind is without chatter and peaceful feeling. The brain works fine.

My answers were in context to his question. Everything i read seemed like he was speaking about energy. He or she mentioned crown, binaural beats and such.

Ecstasy that i am referring about means joy/love is permeating the body and the mind. When this becomes 24/7 then that is becoming it. Until that becomes established there is a seperation in that aspect.

Again im not talking about psychology. Im only speaking about the kindalini in relationship to the experience.

Some people value a psychological awakening.

Others its energetic. Commonly referred to as the kundalini shakti.

I wouldnt personally give one less value than the other.

The OP mentioned spiritual awakening, and that's what I was addressing. The world appears in consciousness. The body perceives the world. What witnesses perception isn't a part of it, and what you are couldn't be anything in this world. Realizing that will lead to a shift in one's psychological makeup, and probably involve some interesting energy experiences people call kundalini. I'm just saying the psychological shift and the energy experiences belong to the person, while the realization is that one is not that person. So, I don't mean to value one over the other either, but I am suggesting to approach either as a ticket to awakening is getting on the bus in the wrong direction.
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Old 21-11-2016, 09:59 PM
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The OP mentioned spiritual awakening, and that's what I was addressing. The world appears in consciousness. The body perceives the world. What witnesses perception isn't a part of it, and what you are couldn't be anything in this world. Realizing that will lead to a shift in one's psychological makeup, and probably involve some interesting energy experiences people call kundalini. I'm just saying the psychological shift and the energy experiences belong to the person, while the realization is that one is not that person. So, I don't mean to value one over the other either, but I am suggesting to approach either as a ticket to awakening is getting on the bus in the wrong direction.

Thanks for elaborating
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:05 PM
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Hows it going Jonesboy? Nice to see you on here.

Doing well running and nice picture. :)

Hope things are going well with you.
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:06 PM
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The OP mentioned spiritual awakening, and that's what I was addressing. The world appears in consciousness. The body perceives the world. What witnesses perception isn't a part of it, and what you are couldn't be anything in this world. Realizing that will lead to a shift in one's psychological makeup, and probably involve some interesting energy experiences people call kundalini. I'm just saying the psychological shift and the energy experiences belong to the person, while the realization is that one is not that person. So, I don't mean to value one over the other either, but I am suggesting to approach either as a ticket to awakening is getting on the bus in the wrong direction.

Do you think you and energy is separate? Do you think you are separate from the body?

What are thoughts?
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:15 PM
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You are becoming more sensitive to energy and your physical body is catching up. It means you raised your consciousness. Meditation will help your body catch up. Nothing else you listed is useful. I have been through a major awakening myself but just went through it on my own. I never did actually find anyone to support me and did not really look for it. My spiritual guide came in later on. Its a very individual experience to find your true self and everyone is at different levels. Although it may seem nice to get support the whole awakening is also about finding your own strength. See what feels comfortable to you. The beginning is the hardest!
Having also experienced this since June, I'll say the main thing that I've learned is discernment. There's so many out there that seemingly are there to tell you they know the only way to whatever it is you are seeking. Eat This, Don't eat this, Aliens, EGO, blah blah blah.

A poster here really hit the nail on the head in my opinion(Reminder: its just my opinion)
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When I first started this Journey a wise man said to me, "Take what resonates with you as your truth, leave the rest behind because it is not yours." That's served me better than all the book leaning. And you're very welcome.

My guess is I've had a similar experience to a degree. It was like this giant veil was lifted, but thru mediation and reflection I've found that this has been occurring slowly for years, and it finally came thru in this giant wave of energy that engulfed me. Only after looking into it roughly a month later I first found the term Kundalini Awakening. I had zero clue what any of the terms were surrounding awakening/dimensional shifts/timelines, and even now I just take them all with discernment.

Everyone has a different path, maybe they lead to the same place, maybe not. But Go with what feels right. Trust your intuition, it's the only thing that has kept me from pulling my hair out.

Meditation/Yoga/Changing my Sleep Pattern/exercise/better self care all have worked to this point for me.
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:40 PM
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:52 PM
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Do you think you and energy is separate? Do you think you are separate from the body?

What are thoughts?

Well not quite. I would say the body is energy and what notices motion is completely still. In this sense we can distinguish (with thought energy) between what notices energy and the energy itself.

I would not say what notices the body is separate from the body, but I would say change is an illusion and that you are nothing changing.

Along that line, experience takes place in the conceptual framework of time and space. Time is the linear framework that measures change in appearance, whereas space is the idea where change apparently happens. Both are ideas and consciousness (you) is not in one of its own ideas.

Interestingly, one appearance in consciousness, the body, can be conditioned to think and emote etc. This is not other than consciousness being conditioned to think and emote, but through what some call unconscious mind identification, we could say consciousness falls into its own dream. Consciousness is never actually 'in the dream world of form', it just imagines that it is and then believes the imagination. The absence of the belief is awakened consciousness, as opposed to the presence of an experience or a separate person. There actually is no separate person
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Old 21-11-2016, 11:10 PM
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Well not quite. I would say the body is energy and what notices motion is completely still. In this sense we can distinguish (with thought energy) between what notices energy and the energy itself.

I would not say what notices the body is separate from the body, but I would say change is an illusion and that you are nothing changing.

Along that line, experience takes place in the conceptual framework of time and space. Time is the linear framework that measures change in appearance, whereas space is the idea where change apparently happens. Both are ideas and consciousness (you) is not in one of its own ideas.

Interestingly, one appearance in consciousness, the body, can be conditioned to think and emote etc. This is not other than consciousness being conditioned to think and emote, but through what some call unconscious mind identification, we could say consciousness falls into its own dream. Consciousness is never actually 'in the dream world of form', it just imagines that it is and then believes the imagination. The absence of the belief is awakened consciousness, as opposed to the presence of an experience or a separate person. There actually is no separate person

So then are you that energy or are you silence? Can one be the energy that is the body?

Also, you are saying the world is a dream one can never really be here because it is a dream?
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Old 22-11-2016, 12:05 AM
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So then are you that energy or are you silence? Can one be the energy that is the body?


I'm saying the separation between the two is artificial. Meaning, there is only ever one.

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Also, you are saying the world is a dream one can never really be here because it is a dream?

I'm saying the time space framework of your entire life is entirely made up.
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