why do TFs have a hard time connecting with other people prior to meeting their TF?

Originally Posted by gypsymystique

I'm sure this hogwash is out there in spades, but I always read/channeled that twin flames were both complete souls: both masculine and feminine. I never bought into the "partial soul" notion.

Entirely up to you. When first hitting this "phenomenon" I read dozens of versions on "twin flame theory" (which isn't /wasn't a theory at all, just junk mostly) to try to make sense of it.

I won't repeat the quotes I originally posted here to show how suspect it all was but one central feature was that people were born with fractured / partial / incomplete souls (or some variety of same). I don't believe any of it. So I'm only quoting in summary of what I read. My response to the o/p was an attempt at logic on this basis,

The motives behind "twin flame" are most nefarious when examined closely.

(Thankfully in the European Union any such stuff has to come with disclaimers or the authors could find themselves in trouble with Consumer Law. Perhaps that's why it's barely touched Europe.)

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[jro5139]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Entirely up to you. When first hitting this "phenomenon" I read dozens of versions on "twin flame theory" (which isn't /wasn't a theory at all, just junk mostly) to try to make sense of it.

I won't repeat the quotes I originally posted here to show how suspect it all was but one central feature was that people were born with fractured / partial / incomplete souls (or some variety of same). I don't believe any of it. So I'm only quoting in summary of what I read. My response to the o/p was an attempt at logic on this basis,

The motives behind "twin flame" are most nefarious when examined closely.

(Thankfully in the European Union any such stuff has to come with disclaimers or the authors could find themselves in trouble with Consumer Law. Perhaps that's why it's barely touched Europe.)

♥

If I may say so, the sources you looked at are exactly what the problem is, do you really think these are reliable sources (random internet sites)? I wouldn't look to random sites or anyone trying to make money for answers. There are so many better ways to find answers to these types of questions (ancient texts, your own connection to source, your own inner knowing).

I don't personally feel like a partial soul, but then I have no idea what a partial soul feels like? Or for that matter, what a complete soul feels like?

I would guess that the "split soul" (should that be the case) has more to do with one person containing the masculine and one the feminine. Speaking of sources and ancient texts, if you read the Nag Hammadi, it says that each person was originally both masculine and feminine and then split.
Another ancient teaching which resonated with me was that of Hermetics and the Eternal Soulmate, who is your opposite and shows up when you reach a certain level on the spiritual journey.

I also thought it interesting how someone said they have gone back to their life the way it was before. For me, it's exactly the opposite. There is no going back to my old life and there is no way I can put my head back in the sand and pretend I don't know what I know now. Nor would I want to. So many things have been made clear to me that go far beyond twin flames since beginning this journey. And also, I am now permanently connected to a higher vibration/ dimension. Not only is my vibration higher and I get less depression, my life is slower getting better and better. No way I would want to go back now.

[gypsymystique]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Entirely up to you. When first hitting this "phenomenon" I read dozens of versions on "twin flame theory" (which isn't /wasn't a theory at all, just junk mostly) to try to make sense of it.

I won't repeat the quotes I originally posted here to show how suspect it all was but one central feature was that people were born with fractured / partial / incomplete souls (or some variety of same). I don't believe any of it. So I'm only quoting in summary of what I read. My response to the o/p was an attempt at logic on this basis,

The motives behind "twin flame" are most nefarious when examined closely.

(Thankfully in the European Union any such stuff has to come with disclaimers or the authors could find themselves in trouble with Consumer Law. Perhaps that's why it's barely touched Europe.)

♥

At this time it seems to be mostly a money racket. There's alot of drivel out there.

I studied psychology and the masculine/feminine prior to coming across the term twin flame, so I kept the stuff that agreed with the scientific and spiritual theories, and I disregarded the rest.

Interestingly enough, searching for twin flames online used to bring you right to this message boards, so that's why it gets so much traffic on this topic.

Originally Posted by jro5139

If I may say so, the sources you looked at are exactly what the problem is, do you really think these are reliable sources (random internet sites)? I wouldn't look to random sites or anyone trying to make money for answers. There are so many better ways to find answers to these types of questions (ancient texts, your own connection to source, your own inner knowing).

This may be the case. I probably looked at about 30 web sites over a couple of weeks; ranked in google in the order most people would find them. I posted some of what I found here.

I was alarmed by how many launched off with a supposition as if was a fact - often expressed in a way that suggested it was obviously a fact and the reader would be silly to think otherwise - and then built a theory around that. I was aware of the Theosophist Blavatsky and her "twin" Olcott. She was a spiritist medium until Olcott appeared whereon she changed her tune a bit. They developed the idea of twin rays. I really hadn't time to read through The Secret Doctrine. It's a bit heavy going and... yes, she did good work for the occult but went on the turn with Olcott. There are people in our local esoteric shop who opined about their work. I have no reason to mistrust their views since they are just views. But the current fashion seemed to start from here.

I came across a "twin flame matchmaker", readings for something like $120 and if you wanted the fully monty, $400 IIRC. LOL.

I don't personally feel like a partial soul, but then I have no idea what a partial soul feels like? Or for that matter, what a complete soul feels like?

I would guess that the "split soul" (should that be the case) has more to do with one person containing the masculine and one the feminine. Speaking of sources and ancient texts, if you read the Nag Hammadi, it says that each person was originally both masculine and feminine and then split.
Another ancient teaching which resonated with me was that of Hermetics and the Eternal Soulmate, who is your opposite and shows up when you reach a certain level on the spiritual journey.

This split or partial soul thing cropped up again and again. Perhaps the "theory" has moved on a bit to become more palatable to those who want just to chain a suitable partner down. I did visit a specialist forum where a seriously strict dogma is "the law". The demands were huge and it isn't difficult to see why so many here run into trouble, declaring someone they've met and initially get on well with as their twin flame. It's a heck of a commitment. I wonder how many are afraid to inform the alleged twin in case they leg it.

To me, authenticity lies in both believing the same thing - or at least one being willing to be converted to the same thing.

I also thought it interesting how someone said they have gone back to their life the way it was before. For me, it's exactly the opposite. There is no going back to my old life and there is no way I can put my head back in the sand and pretend I don't know what I know now. Nor would I want to. So many things have been made clear to me that go far beyond twin flames since beginning this journey. And also, I am now permanently connected to a higher vibration/ dimension. Not only is my vibration higher and I get less depression, my life is slower getting better and better. No way I would want to go back now.

Agreed. I can't see how anyone can "go back" to their old life anyway. You can't unexperience things so it can only be if they've deluded themselves into believing they've progressed from the checkpoint (so to speak) when they haven't, unless they've wandered up a blind alley.
So good to hear that things are on the up for you. That's development as I see it. We hit obstacles but find ways around them and take another step or two up.

All the best. Oh, by the way, I've had some contact with the Nag Hammadi - there's a big gnostic site on the web - but at the time was mainly interested the apocryphal gospels, convinced as I found myself that Jesus was Gnostic. Seems to be born out by Thomas' gospel.

Talk again.
Pax.
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Originally Posted by gypsymystique

At this time it seems to be mostly a money racket. There's alot of drivel out there.

I studied psychology and the masculine/feminine prior to coming across the term twin flame, so I kept the stuff that agreed with the scientific and spiritual theories, and I disregarded the rest.

Interestingly enough, searching for twin flames online used to bring you right to this message boards, so that's why it gets so much traffic on this topic.

Acknowledged. I found almost every article had contradictions, bad logic and beliefs presented as facts.

The system seems to encourage adherents to blame others for their emotions when things go wrong, either directly or via some weird process of rationalising - he's running because he fears rejection; he's not ready; he needs to work on himself; he's broken my heart and I can't go on my life is wrecked because of him (or her, as the case may be), when the prey just wants out, isn't interested, etc.

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Originally Posted by gypsymystique

I never felt my social skills/connection had anything to do with a twin flame any more than other soulmates. He certainly didn't magically "gift" me with a connection to others.

I didn't mean to say that your TF gifts you with a connection to others - in fact, I've never read that anywhere - just that you never really felt connected to people before meeting. (For me, meeting my twin flame has made me feel more okay about not relating to others - there isn't the desperateness to connect.) But I understand what you're saying. My twin flame seems to have close friends actually (from what I can tell from his social media) so I don't know how this applies to him. I, on the other hand, don't have real friends. I've had sort of shallow acquaintances that have fallen off since I started on this journey in 2012.

[vis-à-vis]

I’ll just assume I’m the someone others on this thread are discussing because they “can’t believe” someone can go back to their old life. A few brief posts in such a long time and already being judged by some lovely however sanctimonious members. Regardless of the judgey vibe it’s nice to see some things don’t change on here. Although I somehow knew my first postings in a while would be questioned, probably because *shock horror* I have actually moved on from my Tf experience! I know, I know, unbelievable. So please stop reading now if this is hurting your eyes and soul to read.

I’ll also assume it’s telling that I never had the perfect little, wrapped in bows and sprinkled in fairy dust spiritual awakening which is often welcomed in the community. Sorry peeps but it wasn’t filled with yoga and meditation and spirit assisted love sessions like it’s suppose to be. It was actually kinda hellish. So yeah, probably not what a spiritual awakening is suppose to be according to the true + pure spiritualists and it’s definitely sitting raw and ugly in the wrong category of all the blessed spiritual wrongs. Actually.. how would a person as “deluded” as myself know where to put my own awakening really? Seems I totally forgot to renew my subscription! Ooopsies.

I should probably also apologise for using the word back in it’s degenerate glory. Another problem with my experience is that I’m actually aware that MY time (I choose not to place this awareness onto others whom experience their OWN and totally UNIQUE spiritual time-framed journey) or any time in my realm is not linear, so the cyclical back and forward of life’s motion are not really separated by much other than mind’s judgement or perception. Another thing which is not so easy to explain without the necessary open-mindedness or experience.

Aside from all of my partial attempts to explain one fairly complex and misused word.. no one actually asked or probably even cares what my going back entails, or the reasons behind my need to go back but I shall, if only to set the record straight so I’m not completely ousted by the court in of higher dimensions.

During my awakening I was being torn between two time-lines, I eventually needed to seperate myself from the tug of war and free myself from the (insert any description you relate to soul pain) . You see, I had a beautiful gift waiting for me and she is a feisty, strong willed and more precious than words little girl.

If I didn’t “go back” and had ran off into the sunset with all the bells & whistles ringing I wouldn’t have experienced the purest and truest love there is by having my daughter. If I hadn’t gone through what I had full circle she wouldn’t be here so it’s just unfathomable for me to now see the decisions I made in regards to my awakening as wrong. She knew to come when my heart was ready and for the years prior to having her, during my awakening especially, I definitely was not ready. My decisions and reasons won’t make sense to some but they were right and make total sense for me.

I’m no saint but my head is definitely not in the sand either. Funny how I can give off that impression but it’s probably the guard I put up when on this particular forum. The reason I keep social in rl is because I do help others around me having their spiritual crisis and have never been or looked down upon anyone for entering blind alleys (nothing wrong with them as I see it - learning doesn’t always manifest in ways of unicorns).

For the records, again, no offence to unicorns. But where’s that deluded unicorn meme when I need it!?! Brb...

Originally Posted by vis-à-vis

I’ll just assume I’m the someone others on this thread are discussing because they “can’t believe” someone can go back to their old life. A few brief posts in such a long time and already being judged by some lovely however sanctimonious members. Regardless of the judgey vibe it’s nice to see some things don’t change on here. Although I somehow knew my first postings in a while would be questioned, probably because *shock horror* I have actually moved on from my Tf experience! I know, I know, unbelievable. So please stop reading now if this is hurting your eyes and soul to read.

Doesn't seem like judgement. It's logic. If you think you're in a stylised "new life" and want to go back to your old life, how do you roll back experiences since you left your old life? If you were giving up on something - let's say, a twin-flame belief, maybe a twin flame, you aren't exactly going back to your old life because in the time since, you've been exploring twin-flame beliefs and decided they aren't for you. You've learned something.

I’ll also assume it’s telling that I never had the perfect little, wrapped in bows and sprinkled in fairy dust spiritual awakening which is often welcomed in the community. Sorry peeps but it wasn’t filled with yoga and meditation and spirit assisted love sessions like it’s suppose to be. It was actually kinda hellish. So yeah, probably not what a spiritual awakening is suppose to be according to the true + pure spiritualists and it’s definitely sitting raw and ugly in the wrong category of all the blessed spiritual wrongs. Actually.. how would a person as “deluded” as myself know where to put my own awakening really? Seems I totally forgot to renew my subscription! Ooopsies.

You aren't alone. I never had one either. It's been a progression of insights, initiations, empowerments, explorations not all of which have been comfortable. There were Eureka moments of varying sizes, nothing to do with leaping out of the bath because it's too hot however! No sudden big-bang "awakening".

I should probably also apologise for using the word back in it’s degenerate glory. Another problem with my experience is that I’m actually aware that MY time (I choose not to place this awareness onto others whom experience their OWN and totally UNIQUE spiritual time-framed journey) or any time in my realm is not linear, so the cyclical back and forward of life’s motion are not really separated by much other than mind’s judgement or perception. Another thing which is not so easy to explain without the necessary open-mindedness or experience.

Aside from all of my partial attempts to explain one fairly complex and misused word.. no one actually asked or probably even cares what my going back entails, or the reasons behind my need to go back but I shall, if only to set the record straight so I’m not completely ousted by the court in of higher dimensions.

During my awakening I was being torn between two time-lines, I eventually needed to seperate myself from the tug of war and free myself from the (insert any description you relate to soul pain) . You see, I had a beautiful gift waiting for me and she is a feisty, strong willed and more precious than words little girl.

If I didn’t “go back” and had ran off into the sunset with all the bells & whistles ringing I wouldn’t have experienced the purest and truest love there is by having my daughter. If I hadn’t gone through what I had full circle she wouldn’t be here so it’s just unfathomable for me to now see the decisions I made in regards to my awakening as wrong. She knew to come when my heart was ready and for the years prior to having her, during my awakening especially, I definitely was not ready. My decisions and reasons won’t make sense to some but they were right and make total sense for me.

I’m no saint but my head is definitely not in the sand either. Funny how I can give off that impression but it’s probably the guard I put up when on this particular forum. The reason I keep social in rl is because I do help others around me having their spiritual crisis and have never been looked down upon anyone for entering blind alleys (nothing wrong with them as I see it - learning doesn’t always manifest in ways of unicorns).

For the records, again, no offence to unicorns. But where’s that deluded unicorn meme when I need it!?! Brb...

Was that going back to your old life? The discovery of what sounds like unconditional love? Sounds a very new life. But our interpretation of things is always our own. We have only words on this forum. They are just semiotics. As with all signs, words are just symbols for ideas, sometimes objects, sometimes not. If you'll allow me to say so, an engaging post.

Pax luxque tecum.

[vis-à-vis]

Somedays I’m the unicorn and other days the godessy maiden.

[umbridge]

Old souls need different kind of attention, attention that awakens their hearts
I can't say 100% sure that twins are old souls, but they definitely are looking for something beyond superficial, thats why its hard to make friends just with people who are so called "normal" but "Normal" isn't actually a right word to use here, because we are all spiritual creatures, some are just more evolved to their heart's life paths than others... but we all will get there, sooner or later
hope that helps