has anyone ever been in the presence of an enlightened master?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I like to relate a story in regards.

When I first contacted my spirit guides and shared that experience, I got the same reply; "don't listen to those angels, they are only demons in disguise" and so, I took it to my guides who said "don't listen to those humans, they are only demons in disguise". LOL

I learned a LOT from that...in that what OTHERS experience can in no way reflect ones own experiences at this level.

While I may not have had any real life changing and transformative experience with living 'Divine Masters' on this physical plane, I have also been in the presence of Lord Shiva...my 'inner Guru' and THAT experience totally goes beyond words...nothing I could write here will ever be able to express it.

I think deception happens often in regards to certain spirit folk saying they are someone they are not .

When it boils down to wolves in sheep's clothing at a point one can see through their guise .

I would say it depends on how clearly one can see things in more ways than one .

A demon can not emulate the love of divine being / God / Goddess / ascended master .

If peeps get to experience such a union then there will be no doubt about it as you were no in doubt regarding your experience/s with Shiva .

I like what you said regarding "don't listen to those humans, they are only demons in disguise"


x daz x

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by God-Like

I think deception happens often in regards to certain spirit folk saying they are someone they are not .

When it boils down to wolves in sheep's clothing at a point one can see through their guise .

I would say it depends on how clearly one can see things in more ways than one .

A demon can not emulate the love of divine being / God / Goddess / ascended master .

If peeps get to experience such a union then there will be no doubt about it as you were no in doubt regarding your experience/s with Shiva .

I like what you said regarding "don't listen to those humans, they are only demons in disguise"


x daz x

I totally agree with you and the only test of spirit folk saying they are something they are not, is time - because if you don't know, how can another possibly know?

I have also heard it said that demons can 'hypnotise' you into feeling love for them and believing they love you in return (oh the excuses some people can come up with). lol

How I see it is this...despite all the love...what would it profit a demon to get you believing they were an angel or even God, without you being aware they are a demon? It would defeat the whole purpose, wouldn't it?

Then when others say to me "that isn't Shiva, that's only a demon acting like Shiva" I get to say two things - firstly "who are YOU to say how Shiva "acts" and secondly, "if everything is Shiva, then He can also be a demon!"

The trick is in having one's vibration raised sufficiently enough to know what it is they are dealing with...and you are right...anything that radiates divine love or even hypnotises you into believing they do, can't be all THAT bad...especially since they have done nothing to harm you or make you harm anybody else...the only time when harm befalls me, is if I ignore the advice given and say "I got this!...I don't NEED you...go away".

[r6r6]

Originally Posted by babaji

what's it like? I'm talking about being in the presence of one who is one with the divine. I hear they radiate a lot of love and compassion. it must be amazing to be around them. but yeah, has anyone been around one? describe your experience?

I worked with young man who knew how to play 13 differrent instruments. At work he would hop around on one leg imatating and playing Jethro Tull music.


At that time I dont know that he wrote any of his own music, but he was very talented with musical instruments. Relative to me, he was a master musician.


He was not very compassionate person and his ego seemed to have blown himself into something bigger than he actually was.

[Uma]

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[django]

I am under the impression that there aren't any truly enlightened masters, I think the last one was Jesus, and since then there have only been the pseudo-enlightened and the somewhat achieved, and many many scammers whether they realise this or not. Harsh and seemingly biased but it's what I think.

As to enlightened spirits appearing from another dimension, I have no faith in them whatsoever, if they are present within what the normal mind perceives they are almost guaranteed to be just a fanciful ego seeing what it wants to see and hearing what it wants to hear.

I can't prove this of course, but anyone who believes they are in contact with enlightened spirits can't prove that they really are either apart from their personal belief, which in the grand scheme of things is worth very little. Do they have any actual powers to prove it? Anything tangible apart from their beliefs?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by django

I am under the impression that there aren't any truly enlightened masters, I think the last one was Jesus, and since then there have only been the pseudo-enlightened and the somewhat achieved, and many many scammers whether they realise this or not. Harsh and seemingly biased but it's what I think.

As to enlightened spirits appearing from another dimension, I have no faith in them whatsoever, if they are present within what the normal mind perceives they are almost guaranteed to be just a fanciful ego seeing what it wants to see and hearing what it wants to hear.

I can't prove this of course, but anyone who believes they are in contact with enlightened spirits can't prove that they really are either apart from their personal belief, which in the grand scheme of things is worth very little. Do they have any actual powers to prove it? Anything tangible apart from their beliefs?

Yes, you can't prove it and I can't prove it, so it's all pretty much cut and dried.

[Shivani Devi]

What exists as being 'real' or happening to one person, can never be shared or 'proven' to another, unless they, themselves have had the exact same experience, and so everything is relative...not only time, but space and all matter as well.

What is accepted as 'proof' is also experiential and cognitively biased.

For example, I am on the Autism spectrum...and I have difficulties and eccentricities associated with this - mostly in the form of using formal language in informal situations, avoiding eye contact...and being able to recite the whole of The Merchant Of Venice on command...and you know, I am the 'star attraction' at Trivia Night...but I digress.

Many people will say to me; "you don't have Autism...autistics are all 'retards' and you are clearly not"..and so I have to explain what "High Functioning Autism" is and they still refuse to believe that I am Autistic because I don't have any 'proof'...and so, with that, I take out a certificate of diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder from my bag...signed by one of the most notable Neuropsychiatrists and Autism specialists in the whole country...

...and I get "that proves nothing...that doctor is a quack and should have his licence revoked...you don't have Autism..."

So yeah...this is the human ego at its finest hour.

[Rah nam]

Why would anyone want to be in the presents of a so called enlightened master? Be present within your own Self. And you will get to know what it feels like.

[Shivani Devi]

As a footnote to my post above, a disbelief is also a belief! It is the belief that another's belief is totally irrational or irrelevant.

So, if a belief is 'worth very little' it must also apply to the one who believes that, or else it is biased by ego.

There is a reason why those who share similar experiences tend to congregate together and it is not 'safety in numbers' or to present a 'united front'...but the belief of disbelief can be much stronger than the convicted belief in the first place.

I mean, somebody could say to me "I disagree with your belief" and I could say, "well then, I disagree with your belief about my belief" and the other can say "okay, I disagree with your disagreement about my disagreement about your belief" and on this can go on ad infinitum.

Until in the end, the Atheist will say "I don't BELIEVE God does not exist, I KNOW God does not exist" and I can also make that statement "Well I KNOW God exists, so I don't have to believe it" and then, the Atheist will say "No, you don't KNOW anything, that is only your BELIEF" and I can say "Wait up, that is still your BELIEF saying that I BELIEVE and not KNOW, isn't it?"

Until the Atheist says "okay then, PROVE God exists" and of course, I will say "I cannot prove it" and the Atheist will go "AHA! that means God doesn't exist" and I will say "not at all...that only means I cannot PROVE God exists...which has no bearing on God's existence" and so, finally the Atheist goes "you're brainwashed...I am outta here" and I laugh....letting him BELIEVE that I have been "brainwashed".

[Rah nam]

a belief is as much as a theory, it needs to be proven. Put to the test so to say.